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                  <text>Ruby Garcia
(Southern Ute Elder)

My name is Ruby T. Garcia, and I live at 1328 County Road 516, Ignacio, CO 81307. I
was born on November 24th, 1918 in Ignacio. That was during the war; First World War. My
first school was at Santa Fe. We left on the train and when we got to Santa Fe, they told us to go
to our grade room. They asked my sister first what grade she was, and she said she was third
grade. Then they asked me, and I told them I was third grade. But, I didn't even know nothing;
I didn't even know how to read, I didn't even know how to talk English. And, they sent me back
to the kindergarten. But, I finally picked up. That's about it at Santa Fe.
I've been to different places. I've been to Towaoc Indian School; I was there from the
third and fourth. Then I went to school at Ignacio for fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth. And then,
I went to Sherman Institute in Riverside, CA I graduated there. I took up home economics, but
like I always tell the people, 'I'm a jack of all trades and a master at none.'
I came home; I got a job at the hospital. I was a Nurse's Aide. That was kind of
interesting; working with sick people and caring for them. Then I went to different places. I
went to Salt Lake City and I sewed a lot. Sewed clothes for the Army. Then I went to Salt Lake.
I worked there for a while: making swim suits.
Then I decided to go (World War II was going on), to go to California and get me a job.
They hired me, they said I had to drive. And, I told them I didn't know how to drive. They said,
'Well, you're froze to it. You're going to learn one way or the other.' So I finally learned how
to drive a bus. I drove the Italian prisoners to work, you know, there on the field. But, there
were MPs [military policemen] on the bus and I wasn't afraid. I'd hear them talk, and I asked
one of the Italians if they knew English. And, they pointed to one and they said, 'Oh, they're
telling you bad things.' I told them, 'You tell them I told them to shut up or they're going to get
out!' Boy they were quiet. I had to laugh at them. We ate with them at the mess hall. They had
their own, you know; the prisoners-of-war. But it was interesting. Afterwards I wasn't afraid of
them; I got used to them. And then the war was over. .. I came home. Now I'm here, in one
piece.
I worked for the Tribe. I worked with them for twelve years; with the welfare. After that
I worked for the Peaceful Spirit; that's alcohol. I went to training to be a counselor. I enjoyed it.
But, then, I got tired of the whole thing. I said I might as well retire, and I retired. Now I'm
home and I'm enjoying it: I go to the casino and have fun, lose or win. Sometimes I win and
sometimes I lose, but it's fun. I meet a lot of people, I enjoy it; it's something different than to
live alone. Living alone, people say, is aweful. But, I manage. I crochet, I do beadwork, I
occupy my time, and when I'm tired of that, I go to the casino and talk and laugh and joke with
them people.
Lately, I've been in poor health. Other than that, I'm okay. My folks come to see me.
That's my great-granddaughters [two ofRuby's great-granddaughters and her great-greatgrandson were present during the interview] and that little one is my great great grandson. And
thi.s little one [the father of Ru by' s great great grandson], we' re going to send him to dance at the

�powwow [Laughter]. They're going to have a powwow pretty soon. They're having two
powwows next month; one for the casino and one for Gerald Hall [?].
[M. Miller: What were your parents' names?]
I was born out of wed-lock, let's put it that way. But, I knew who my father was; he
came to me. My mother's name was Uterpy [sic?] Taylor. That's why my name was Ruby
Taylor, because she wasn't married when she had me. But just the same, life went on. Life has
been good, and it's still good providing I get off of this oxygen! And, now, they've got me
blowing on that thing [points to a medical device] in my mouth. Pretty soon you'll see me like
this [makes a bloated gesture], full of air. My daughter's grandson told me, 'Grandma, your
stomach is getting big. Are you going to have a baby?' And I said, 'No, I'm full of air.'
[Laughs] And he said, 'How did you get that air inside of you?' And I told him through this
[points to the oxygen tube in her nostrils]. You know, they're funny. They say, 'no fools, no
fun.' Right? That's about my life.
[M. Miller: 'What was your husbands name?']
My husband's name was Joe Weaver; the father ofmy two daughters (Arlene and
Lillian). They're both married and look at all that bunch of accumulated kids from me and them
two girls [points to a wall full of photographs]. There's five generations on there. Quite a
bunch, huh? Look at this white-headed woman [points to herself in a generational picture of her
family]. [Laughs] There's five generations there; there's this little one when he was small [her
great great-grandson].
Well, it's good to be old and retired: staying home; don't have to worry about getting up
or nothing. But I hate to get sick.
[M. Miller: 'What do you remember about Sherman Indian School?']
I went to school there, I took up home economics. Learned how to cook; learned how to
sew; learned different things (canning, all that stuff). I liked it. I even went back to see the place
after I finished. Some of the old employees were still there. But, in those days things were
cheap.
I tell the people, bread used to be 10 cents a loaf You could buy tennis shoes like that
for a $1.98. You don't get them for no $1.98 anymore; they run from 60 on down. And other,
regular shoes (you know, I call them 'dancing shoes'), they're high priced, too. I think the
cheapest is $20. Food used to be cheap. Gas was $.25 a gallon, and look at it now. It's
outrageous. It's gone up, up, up.
It was hard for the people. Frank B. (he used to be an Anglo), he used to run a meat
shop. He used to donate food for the people to have a Bear Dance and a feast. They'd cook out
there. Oh, it was nice, but now it's so different. Everything is so high, and I don't ever
remember paying income tax. I don't know when that started, because I never paid income tax.
Or, maybe I overlooked it, didn't bother to do income tax. But, now, you have to.

�That's about the story of my life. I don't know what else there would be.
[M. Miller: 'Did you have brothers and sisters?']

I had brothers and sisters. My sister died, my two brothers died, and there's only one
brother left: Sylvian Taylor Valdez and me. There're just two ofus left. But my mother ... she
had one brother living, Henry .Taylor, but he passed away about three or four months ago (I don't
remember). He died. I lost my mother March the 24th, 1994. It's sad; sadness. Now I'm all
alone here. I don't like to interfere with my daughters: living with them (sort oflike
'mooching'). I'd rather live alone and live my own life. Get up when I feel like it; eat when I
feel like it; go to bed when I feel like it: nobody to boss me. But, my younger daughter tells me
(she sees me at the casino), 'Aren't you ready to go home?' And I told her, 'No, I'm having a
good time. You go home.' [Laughs] And I stayed down there. Then I called my brother up:
'Come and get me. Come and take me home,' when it's over. But, the casino never closes. The
people are still pulling on them machines. The card table, where I usually play, closes up at four.
(But they usually close up at 3 :30 to clean up and count the money.) So, I had my days too; go
down there.
I have won a big jackpot; $36,000. I won about four jackpots for $2,700 and I won
several ones for $1,200. But boy they really soaked me for income tax this past year. I said, 'I
ain't got no business winning so much. So I quit. I just play cards where they don't take income
tax.
[M. Miller: 'Did you dance when you were younger?']

Oh, boy. Believe it! I used to do the twist and everything [laughs]. They had a dance
down here and my uncle, the one that died that I was telling you about, came over. They were
having a dance dontest, and he came over to me and said, 'Come on. Let's dance, let's show
them how it's done.' So we went, and we won. They gave us $20, you know prize? But, now, I
can't even dance. My leg is still crippled up. That money cart at the casino hit me right here
[points to left leg], and since then I've been sick. My leg swells up and then I have a blood clot
on this leg. They doctored me on that; they gave me pills. Look at all these pills that I
take ... very sickening [laughs]. I used to like it [the Bear Dance]. I used to do the "Forty-nine,"
the powwow; I used to do that.
But, now, I don't do nothing. I stay home, I watch TV, go to bed, eat, go to the casino,
and come home and go to bed, then start all over again. I don't go down there every day.
Certain times. They were going to give a car away and they called my name, my ticket. They
had a lot of them over there get one. They called my name in there, and I won a free room at the
casino and two meals for two. I said, 'For two? Where's my better half?' And them guys
stopped and said, 'Me!' And I told them, 'No, I'm not going to take you. Beat it!' [Laughs]
I know Spanish, I know Ute, and I know a little bit of Navajo and Paiute; I know Paiute.
I understand Italian, because Italian is almost like Spanish. Do you think I had an interesting
life?

�Yeah, I don't want to win too much money, because they said I make too much money
and cut it off There's always a trick. They put up a casino where you make money, and then
when you make money they want a cut of30% off Gosh. IfI would have known, I wouldn't
have played that much. But, when I paly at the poker, then they give me tickets. They give them
to me and I sign my name. They called my name and them people hollered, 'There she is!'
[laughs] I had fun. My brother's son won the Jeep; he won it.
[M. Miller: 'Did you ever serve on the Tribal Council?']

No. I didn't have time for that. I was too busy helping the poor people. You know,
helping them to get pensions. Helping them, you know, what needs to be done. After I got
through eith that, I kind of helped the people that drink a lot. I used to drink a lot, too, after the
war ... beer.
[M. Miller: 'Did you serve on the Committee of Elders?']

Yeah, I was the first Chairman. They gave a party when I retired, and they gave me that
blanket. That's a Pendleton blanket; costs lots of money. The Council gave me that, and the one
that's on my bed, the Committee of Elders gave me that; another Pendleton blanket.
But, I'm satisfied. The Tribe gives the elders $3, 100 every month. That keeps you
going. It keeps me going to the casino [laughs]. Look at him [Ruby's great great-grandson],
he's still looking at me. He doesn't know me too well. Go to sleep, go to sleep [to her great
great-grandson]. I'm glad to know that all my tw.o daughters, my grandchildren and all, have
finished school and gone on to college. They have even graduated from college.

Interviewed by Michael
Miller (VISTA worker) in her
home on March 29th, 2004.

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