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                    <text>BEN &amp; CARMEN (Valencia) CORDOVA
Joe M, Cordova and his wife Manuelita were living in Silverton in 1914 when their first
child was born, Joe was stationed there to work for the D. &amp; R.G.H Railroad. Jose Ben
was born March 31, 1914, "That was a bad winter, My dad tells me the snow was 3 feet
deep in Silverton, People had to dig a trench to get out of their homes. My folks left
Silverton soon afterward and came to Durango. Dad got a job at the smelter. When I got
old enough to go down there, I would watch them bring in the railroad cars with the ore.
It was already crushed and ready to go into the furnaces. Gold, Silver, lead and other
metals were extracted. Three hundred men worked there every shift. Just as kids are
crazy about cars today, we were crazy about horses and rodeos. My uncle kept race
horses, some of them very expensive ones. Whenever there was a race or a rodeo at
the fair grounds, we would go. Once when I was still a small boy, my parents told me to
stay home, but that didn't stop me. As soon as they were gone, I headed for the railroad
tracks and walked all the way to the fairgrounds. I was barefooted with a pair of bib
overalls and a baseball cap. I enjoyed myself and raced home before my parents
returned. My Dad asked me, 'Did you go to the rodeo today?' I said, 'No, I stayed home.'
Again my dad asked me, 'Did you go to the rodeo today?' I said, 'No, I stayed home,' He
then asked, 'Well, who was that barefoot boy with a baseball cap and the bib overalls?'
The result was a good spanking for me.''
When I was old enough, my parents enrolled me in Sacred Heart School. Little did they
know I would get into a fight with a nun on my second day at school. It happened this
way. I sat down behind an Anglo girl. She told me she didn't want a dirty Mexican sitting
behind her. Since the backs of the seats were slatted, I kicked her a good one between
the slats. When she told on me, the nun came over and shook me. I did not take this
peacefully. I fought back and in the process I pulled the nun's habit off her head. After a
couple of years at Sacred Heart, my parents enrolled me in Park School which liked
better since it bad playgrounds and better facilities.
On weekends and in the summer, I spent a lot of time with my Herrera Grandparents at
Marvel, If my parents weren't going down there in the wagon, I walked. My grandfather
told me I wouldn't have to walk if I could catch some of the wild burros in the hills. The
one I caught was very useful. I broke him to pull a cart. In the evenings and on the
weekends the burro and I went up the road west of Durango where the coal wagons
passed. Coal was spilled all along the way. In an hour or so I could pick up a load of it to
sell in Durango, Another way to make some money in the summer was to herd cows for
the town folks. Many people in town had a milk cow, but no pasture, For $2.50 per
month I would take a person's cow to the hillside south of Smelter Mountain or up on the
hill where Ft, Lewis College is now to graze all day. Then before milking time I herded all
of them home. I would have a bunch of them. The first few days each summer, it was a
chase trying to keep them together on the way out of town and a mess sorting them out
to the right barns when we got back to town, but after a few days they calmed down and
knew right where to go." As Ben got older he herded sheep for the Bodos, worked on the
D. &amp; R.G. Railroad, the Colorado &amp; Southern Railroad(which ran the Galloping Goose)
and finally got a job at the Castle Coal Mine.
In 1942 Ben came to the San Ignatius Festival in Ignacio and was introduced to a young
lady who was a friend of Ben's sisters and his brother Vic. Carmen Valencia met Ben at
the dance. Carmen says, "I liked to go on dates and to dance but if a young man
showed any extra interest in me, I just turned them off. That night at the dance I wanted
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Carmen's grandparents came into the San Juan Valley in 1876. Five families left the
Huerfano country near Walsenburg in covered wagons. They camped and traveled for
three months following the valleys westward. In September the caravan arrived at Turley
near the present site of the Navajo Dam. Carmen's mother, Benerita Valdez, was born
that fall. She was the first baby born among the pioneer immigrants in this area. When
Benerita was grown, she married Manuel Valencia. They farmed in the San Juan Valley
in New Mexico until 1927. That year two of their children died within two months. These
tragedies prompted them to move to Colorado. Carmen was only five years old at the
time, but she remembers how her mother kept count of the number of times the family
forded the Pine river on the way. Since there was no road over the ridge to Ignacio, the
Valencias simply followed the river. The valley is narrow and winding and steep cliffs rise
abruptly first on one side, then on the other. Benerita became curious about how many
crossings they would make. She tore the hem loose from one of Manuel's handkerchiefs
and tied a knot every time they reached a ford. By the time they reached Ignacio, there
were 13 knots in the hem. The family leased Harry Richard's farm near La Boca. Manuel
died in 1931. Carmen and her mother moved to town.
"When I started to school," Carmen says, "I could speak hardly a word of English. If we
spoke Spanish there, we were put in the closet. When I was 16, my brother that was
supporting us, decided to get married. I decided to go to work. The pay was not high.
Household work 8-12 paid 25 cents. Also, I did baby-sitting and whatever I could find.
Mother watched me like a hawk. I loved to dance and mother would take me, but if I
danced more then three times with any one boy, we went straight home. I was 21 when I
married Ben. We moved to one of the cabins west of Durango near the Castle Coal
mine. Ben's shift was from 6:00 am to 3:00 pm. I was very spoiled and not used to being
alone. I was afraid of the owls hooting in the woods. Our cabin had no curtains or blinds
and to top it off, shortly after we got settled there was a report of a killer on the loose
west of Durango. Well, I made newspaper blinds. If there was a killer on the loose, I
didn't want to see him. After a year we moved to Ignacio. Ben worked for the county for a
while until he was hired by Okla Lunsford. Then Dan Sandoval taught Ben all he knew
about slaughtering animals. Ben worked in the slaughter house and the locker plant all
his life until he recently retired because of disability."
Carmen and Ben built their own house in 1950. They hired Pete Valdez to make the
adobe bricks (1500 of them for $100.00). Each brick weighed 22 pounds and had to be
turned every 3 days until dry. "It was a lot of work", Carmen recalls, "but we didn't mind
it, we were so eager to have our own home."

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The Cordovas had three children, Vickie, who now lives in Vail; Carmen (known to most
people as Dee Dee) and Charles James who died when he was 6 years old. In 1961
they adopted Anthony. There are three grandchildren who, according to Carmen, "are
the light of our lives". They are Daniel Ben Ryder, Deann Carmen Ryder and Dawn
Garcia. Both Carmen and Ben are busy in community and church work. We wish them
many more years of happiness.
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Bessie Florine Glynn was born in Osceola, Iowa, on August 31, 1894, the daughter of
John and Antoinette Glynn. When Bessie was two years old, her family moved to
Milwaukee where they lived most of the time until she was married. John, who was a
steam shovel engineer, spent most of his time away from home working construction
jobs or strip mining in Illinois and Indiana. As a member of a union John would work one
job until it was finished, then he was bumped to the bottom of the list to wait his tum for
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Milwaukee (1896-1920) was in many ways a delightful place to live. It was a big town
but not a metropolis. Bessie remembers riding the streetcars, which went everywhere
and the jitney buses (early versions of the taxi), vehicles of every description which
would transport a passenger from any point in the city to any other point for five cents.
When Bessie was old enough for school, her mother got a job as a fitter in a department
store. Bessie became interested in active sports. She enjoyed ice skating and was a
member of the girl's basketball team. "We were a good team as a rule, but we didn't do
so well when we played South Side High. They were all great big Polish girls, so big you
couldn't get under, over, or around them," Bessie recalls. The third sport Bessie
enjoyed, and the one for which she showed the most promise was sassing the teacher.
"I was never able to hold dignitaries in high regard unless they deserved it and most of
my teachers did not deserve it," stated Ma. Milwaukee was and is the beer capitol of the
world. In that time there was a saloon on every corner. "Ma" says she used to have
nightmares about being caught by a drunk, but they never succeeded.
Bessie had known Milton Seibel for a long time. He and she had attended the same
schools for years. As the two youngsters grew up and entered high school, Bessie and
Milton developed new eyes for one another. Bessie recalls being in the same assembly
(we call it study hall today) as Milton. During those endless silent hours Milton
occasionally wrote notes, folded them into paper airplanes, and when the teacher wasn't
looking, he sailed them to Bessie. The system worked well until one afternoon the
guidance system on one of the notes failed and it made a fatal flight onto the teacher's
desk. Milton, of course, was kicked out of assembly, but that was only the beginning of
his interest in Bessie. In subsequent years they dated frequently going to dances,
shows and dining out. Sometimes they would hear Fritz Kreisler in a violin concert, or
Madam Melba or Shuman Heinck. Afterwards they would choose a fine restaurant
where they ordered all the fine Chinese food they could eat for twenty-five cents .
"We didn't mooch in the back seat of a car," confides Ma, "because we didn't have a
car, but we spent a lot of time sitting on the landing of the staircase in our apartment.
The first time Milton asked me to marry him, I said 'no'. I remember it clearly. We were
reading the Saturday Evening Post." BessiE: said no that time because America had just
declared war on Germany and Milton had volunteered to go. "I didn't want to have a
baby and be left alone to raise it in case he didn't come back." Bessie and all her
sorority friends in Delta Sigma rolled bandages and knitted socks for the war effort.
Bessie was knitting at home, at work, on the streetcars, everywhere she went. Milton
was gone 22 months. He and Bessie were married as soon as he returned.
The Seibels might have spent the remainder of their lives in Milwaukee had it not been
for an aunt in Pagosa Springs who wrote glowing accounts of the opportunities of
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�homesteading and ranching in southwest Colorado. Their parents and her sorority
friends were appalled at the prospect of moving to the wilderness, but the Seibels were
both working in Milwaukee and getting nowhere, so they were excited at the prospect of
an entirely new life. They rode the train to Pagosa Springs in the summer of 1919 and
bought 160 acres of cut-over dry land 10 miles northwest of Pagosa at O'Neill Park. The
Seibels started a dairy farm, raised alfalfa and some wheat. Ma helped Milton in the
field when necessary and did fancy work for cash. When Bessie's mother came to visit,
life was still pretty rustic on the farm. There were no indoor toilets and all water had to
be hauled from a soft water spring on their place. Mrs. Glynn couldn't understand why
anyone would want to live in such circumstances, but Bessie felt then and still says, "It
was all an adventure. The country was beautiful."
Their farm was located about halfway between the ranches on the upper Piedra and
Pagosa. Most evenings some traveler would stop for dinner and would bed down for the
night. "Ma" enjoyed the company, but she did tell one rancher he couldn't come back
without his wife. "I was tired of hunting stories. I wanted some woman talk."
The first motorized vehicle the Seibels owned was a motorcycle with a side car. There
were two kinds of rides on the cycle. Rough and dusty and rough and muddy. On one
trip to the upper Piedra, the cycle bogged down to the hubs. Milton and Bessie had to
stay the night with an old bachelor who lived nearby.
Bessie had always enjoyed working in the field with the horses, but when Milton began
buying mechanized equipment, she retired to the house. Besides the boys were
growing and beginning to do their share of the work. Willard was first. Then Glenn, Ed
and Don were born.
The country schoolhouse for the area was nearby. Most years the schoolteacher would
stay with the Seibels. Some of the school marms were first year teachers and were only
18 years old. "Ma" says the teachers were very interesting people and provided
companionship and good conversation on the long winter evenings.
In 1935 Milton and Bessie went into debt $5,000.00 to buy an irrigated farm near
Arboles. It made Bessie very uneasy to owe a sum which at that time seemed so
enormous. They raised hay, grains, pigs, sheep and cattle. Bessie had a large garden
with two or three hundred tomato plants some years. There was lots of work and no
vacations until 1952 when they stopped for a few weeks to take a trip to California and
Montana and then back to Milwaukee to see old friends.
After an extended illness, Milton died at home in 1961. "Ma" is a fine lady with a
generous heart. Time has not dulled her words. She still has the same sassy tongue
she took to school in 1910. "I have a tremendous memory forridiculous things," Ma
states. If you don't believe her, just ask her for a song. Regarding work, she says, "I've
graduated, but the word 'go' I like."
Shelby Smith, February, 1974

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                    <text>BONNIE and ESSIE (Richards) KENT
Essie Burch Richards, the daughter of Sarah Burch and Bob Richards, was born at
Bayfield August 5, 1916.
"We lived in a little adobe house still standing on the place next to Jack Frost's farm. I
don't remember my mother. She died when I was very young, so my grandparents
largely raised me. My grandfather, Robert Burch had all kinds of animals, turkeys,
sheep, cattle and chickens. The apple trees he planted are still there, but the strawberry
patch has died out."
Essie started school at the Allen Day School, then went to the Bayfield school for
grades 4-7. She finished high school at the Indian School in Albuquerque.
"The Albuquerque School was mostly a vocational school to learn farming, home
economics, etc. One thing I liked was the military training. We wore uniforms and every
morning we had drills. Then on Sundays a lot of people from town came out to watch
our dress parades."

- Essie was one of six students chosen to be sent to Pennsylvania for special nurses
training, but about the time she was ready to go her grandfather needed her help at
home. So she never got to go. Essie had, of course, ridden horses all her life. So no
one thought it was particularly unusual for her uncle to ask her help to break and train
his horses. Essie was doing just that when she met her future husband. Bonnie Kent
was hired to help break the horses, also. The two of them took an immediate liking for
one another and were married in 1937.
Bonnie Kent was born near Ignacio in 1918. His parents were Graves Stone Kent and
Ada Rabbit Kent. They had a home near the Oxford Tract. When Bonnie was very
small, the house was struck by lightning and everything was lost. Graves continued
raising sheep and cattle on the open range until he got a land allotment east of Ignacio
where Ada still lives. There were a few automobiles around when Bonnie was a child,
but most people still used horses and wagons or buggies.
"The best I can remember," Bonnie says, "a new buggy cost $300-$400. A real nice one
cost about $500. There were buggy repair shops just like there are auto repair shops
today. You could buy new parts or the blacksmiths could rebuild the rims and spokes
and other parts that wore out."
Work on the farms was hard in those days, but Bonnie and Essie both remember that
life with good feeling.
"In the haying time we loaded the cut hay on slips (sled-like platforms pulled by a team)
and hauled it to the barn. If it was a grain field, we hired a man with a binder to cut and
bind the grain into shocks. Then someone brought a thrashing machine to the field. We
threw the shocks into the machine and it separated the grain from the straw. The men
held cloth sacks under the spout to catch the grain. Others stood by to sew the sacks

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After they were married, Bonnie and Essie stayed with Bonnie's parents for a while.
Bonnie worked at irrigating in the summer. He was a line rider over in the Piedra country
and then worked on the farm at the Ignacio Indian School. About 1946 the Kents got a
farm east of Ignacio where they built the home in which they still live. Bonnie was
elected to the Tribal Council for three terms. He also was appointed to the Tribal
Activities Board which was responsible for planning and organizing rodeos. The old
rodeo grounds were next to the Ute Park where the ball park is now. This involvement
with the rodeo got Bonnie interested in raising stock again, not for the meat market, but
for rodeo stock. Before long he had quite a few head of bucking horses and some
Brahma bulls.
"We really enjoyed the rodeo business. We rented the animals to rodeo promoters
around the 4-corners area at Farmington, Cortez, Pagosa, Dulce, Durango and Ignacio.
Once in a while a dealer would take a few of our animals clear to Texas or Oklahoma
for the rodeo finals. Most people think rodeo animals are really mean, but they're not.
On their home pasture most of them are as gentle as pets. It's only in the ring they turn
into a different animal."
The Kents kept their rodeo stock until Richard, their oldest child moved away from
Ignacio.
They have four children. Richard now lives in. Oregon. Eunice died at the age of 17.
Phoebe still lives at Ignacio. Their 4th child, Beulah, was chosen to be Miss Southern
Ute, the Four-Corner's Indian Princess and was a runner-up to Miss Indian America at
Sheridan, Wyoming. Beulah represented Miss Indian America at many events in this
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Bonnie and Essie have gone to the Bear Dances and the Sun Dances for many years.
"It's still done about the same as always, but in the old days they were a little stricter. No
food or drink near the ceremony and no intoxicated people allowed. It was more
religious and less social. We liked the old way a little better."

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Candelaria Casias is one of Jose Roque Casias' eleven children. She is the fifth and
last child of Jose and his first wife, Camilla. "I cannot remember my mother, Candelaria
says, "she died when I was very young. I was raised by my oldest sister, Elena, until my
Dad married Manuel ita Martinez."
"All of us older children, Elena, Felix, Gregorita, Delfin and myself were born near
Conejos, Colorado just north of Antonito, where my dad was a sheep herder. When dad
married Manuelita, he moved the family to Ignacio near some of my step-mother's
relatives. It took a week by horse and wagon to come the hundred miles. We camped in
the tent every night. Dad homesteaded in an area called Las Lagunitas west of Ignacio
near the Jacques farm. We continued to camp in the tents until dad finished a one room
house built stockade style, which the Spanish people call 'jacal'. After the logs were set
in the earth side by side for the walls, they were plastered inside and out with adobe
mud. In those years there was enough rain for gardens and crops on the dry lands.
Since he brought no livestock with him, dad started his flock from nothing by herding
sheep on shares and by herding others for pay."
"We attended the Harvey School when we could. Some of my half brothers and sisters
attended for several years and learned English well. There were six of them (Crestino,
Pedro, Faustine, Camilla, Gregorita and Andrea). I only went to school two winters
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"There were no running streams in that country, but there were springs and we could
dig a hole in the sandy bottom of an arroyo and it would soon fill with water. Between
carrying water, herding sheep and the many other jobs to be done, we were needed at
home. I can remember helping my dad make an 'era' (a threshing floor). We wet down
the soil in an area near the house and ran the goats in a circle around and around on
the wet earth. Their sharp hooves packed the soil very hard. When it dried, it was
almost as hard as pottery. Then we piled shocks of wheat or the dry bushes of Pinto
beans on the 'era' and again ran the goats over it. After removing the coarse straw and
stems, we winnowed the remaining grain or beans in the wind to remove the fine leaves
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"Ignacio was a young town in those days and it had a neighbor, a small village just west
of town in the valley below th~ slaughter house. The place was called El Arroyo. There
were many stories of rough behavior coming out of El Arroyo. Flavian Martinez1s bar
was there and some people remember the night Brownie Shannon shot Flavian's wife in
the knee. He did not mean to. He was trying to shoot another man in the leg, but missed
and got Flavian's wife instead."

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had risen so much higher that all of their salvaged lumber was washed away again."
"After I grew up, my step-mother, Manuelita, died and dad moved back to Antonito. I
stayed in Ignacio with my sister, Feliz, and soon afterwards met Luis Marquez. Luis was
originally from the San Luis Valley, but had been working in the mines at Telluride. I
wanted to have our wedding in Antonito. I went there first on the train and Luis followed
a few days later. Very few people could attend our wedding and we were not allowed to
have a reception because that was the year of the great flu epidemic. Many people
were quarantined and others were afraid to go into a crowd."
"Luis and I lived in Telluride for several years while he continued working in the mine,
then we came back to Ignacio. We never had any children of our own, but we raised
one of Luis' nieces, Louisa. Luis died after we were married only 14 years. I earned my
living by doing housework for Mrs. Crigler and Mrs. Aspaas and Nell Marker."
This next September 12, Mrs. Marquez will be 85 years old. We hope she has many
more years of good health to enjoy.
May, 1979 - Shelby Smith

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CARL AND CA THERINE (West) MASTERS
Carl was born at home late in the evening on June 21, 1905, outside of Millport,
Alabama. Lots of his relatives were in town that day for another event, so they all came
with his dad to see the new baby. They stayed way too long, some until midnight. "My
mother's old boyfriend was one of them. He and his friends came back the next day.
There were not invited, they just came, making my mom tired and miserable." Carl was
the second of his parent's children, but since his older sister died, he was especially
loved and cherished in this family. However, his childhood was not lonely as an
additional 6 brothers and 5 sisters were born.
One of Carl's clearest and scariest memories as a young child was when his father
went to deal with a swarm of bees that were disturbing their peach orchard. He came in
with the swarm clinging to a stick and put it in a hive to keep. It looked dangerous and
was the only time Carl saw his father do this.
Carl continues, "We moved to Carbon Hill, Alabama, then on to Memphis, Tennessee.
Dad was a conductor on the trolley. Part of his pay came out of the fares, but it all
added up to a poor wage. Soon we went back to Carbon Hill. Lots of the old timers were
dying and land was a reasonable price. I attended a private school and remember the
kindergarten teacher as somewhat cruel. The kids would get a whipping with a buggy
whip if they marked on a page in a book. I wasn't one of them, but it made me afraid. I
went to public school after the third grade. I never cheated and I tried hard to pay
attention in the classroom," Carl remarks. He left school after the 8th grade and at the
age of 14 went to work in a coal mine owned by Catherine's father.
When he was 17 years old, Carl joined the Navy and enjoyed the experience. He spent
four years there and got to see the world, which is what he wanted to do. The officers
assigned him to electrician's school. Things were going well until one day Carl's spunky
nature exhibited itself. Another sailor in the electrician's school said something
unbecoming to him. Carl's response was to hit the man with a # 30 tray he had in his
hands. For decades the navy has had a very manly tradition for settling personal
disputes. The two disputers are given pairs of boxing gloves, put in a ring, and told to
go for it. Since the other sailor happened to be a professional boxer, that solution would
not have been equitable. Carl was sent to court for a possible court marshal. He was
offered an early release, but refused that and was never sorry. His punishment was
simply an order to leave electrician's school and enter a pipe-fitting, metal-working
program. Carl was O.K. with how it turned out.
Catherine and Carl were married in Colorado when he got out of the Navy. After his
discharge, they traveled to Alabama and Arizona and finally settled in New Mexico. He
worked in a coal mine again for a while, but it was too dangerous, so they decided to
relocate. They moved to St. Louis where they stayed for 15 years. That's where they
started their family. Three children were born, but one was lost. Their daughter, Joyce
now lives in Los Angeles and their son Carl lives in Alabama.

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�Carl was offered a job in Panama in charge of a construction crew. They were helping
to build a pecond addition to the canal. Carl liked the challenge and enjoyed all the
different tasks in the Canal Zone. He had a knack for mechanical things. He trained his
men to repair and operate a large movable crane. They, also, operated an excavator
140' long. All of this was hard, hot work in that tropical climate. Carl ran into all kinds of
people. There were 17 nationalities represented among the workers.
Because of the swampy landscape, everything, including the excavation equipment had
to be moved across the isthmus by railway. After training his men to use the cranes and
the excavators on the Atlantic end of the project, he was sent to do the same thing on
the Pacific end, also. "It was a very big day when my men and I turned the whole
operation over to the permanent staff of the canal." Carl received lots of personal
satisfaction from doing this project.
Next he worked for the Panama Canal Shipping Division. Once when Carl was loading
cars to go to the states, he found a grenade in one of the cars and threw it in the water.
"It made a huge explosion and killed a lot of fish and alligators." At one point Carl began
to get sick in the tropical climate, so they returned to Colorado.
Carl states that when they first visited the mountains, he and Catherine were fascinated
with all the rocks and semi-precious stones. Carl has made jewelry out of some of the
gems. Having been a coppersmith in the Navy, this was a good hobby for him. One
customer was an Indian woman who brought him some stones and wanted him to make
into a ring. Carl suggested she take them to her tribal jewelry maker. She showed him
one that was partly done and asked him to finish it. She loved the completed ring he
made. As usual, he didn't charge much; he mainly did it to make people happy.
Carl also made a 25 cup and tray set out of brass and copper and is now in a museum
somewhere. He hammered it all out himself while in the Navy. He made a second set to
be given to an Admiral upon retirement.
When Carl was about 5, one of his Texas uncles named West (his mother's brother)
wanted to adopt him. He told Carl all the things he could do for him. Carl told him "No",
and to this day is very happy for having made that decision. When asked about his
favorite memory from childhood, he answered "Mother and I were opposites, but we
loved each othe~•- His advice to everyone is, "Do the right thing."
When they came back to Ignacio to visit Catherine's folks, they intended to stay only 2
weeks. Instead of a 2 week stay they have been here for 18 years.
Carl says he has experienced lots of things he didn't much like. However, some of the
secrets of life are to do things in moderation and to remember the old Southern
expression: "There's more to life than cornbread".

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both of whom were Canadian immigrants born near Toronto, Ontario. When William
and Frances met in Chicago in 1900, William worked for the Chicago Street Railroad
Co, which operated horse-drawn street cars all over the Chicago metro area. Women
were supposedly unliberated in 1900, but Frances played golf often and well. Both she
and William were interested in the theater. Years later Charlotte says she recalls
hearing them talkins about the Berrymores and the- Drews and other famous acting
families of that period. Most recreation in Chicago during the summer centered around
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the lake. The boat was moored to a pier off the shore several miles from town. The only
access to town was a packet boat which came along once a day. If we wanted to go to
town for shopping or to send mail, we raised a flag on the boat as a signal for the
packet boat to stop. These vacations were a cool relaxing time of swimming, fishing,
sunbathing and rest."
Charlotte's memories of Chicago, such as those above, have been reinforced by her
parents, since she was only about four years old when the Gormans moved to the
Ozarks. Before William retired he began dabbling in the buying and selling of real
estate. He moved the family onto one of his plots near Ironton and Burbank, Missouri,
about 90 miles south of St. Louis. During the year and a half the Gormans were there,
William was the postmaster in Ironton. Then William heard of the Loma Land
Development Co. which was opening farming land in the Colorado River Valley west of
Grand Junction and Fruita. William and many other easterners invested in farmland
there. A Presbyterian Mission was opened at Loma and is still operating, but the farm
projects did not do so well. Neither the Gormans nor the other Easterners had heard of
alkali land. Most of the farms at Loma proved largely unsuitable for irrigated farming.
Therefore, the Gormans moved to Orchard Heights near Fruita. Then began some of
the most enjoyable years of Charlotte's life .
"Orchard Heights was a beautiful place. We could look right up into the Colorado
National Monument from our yard. The orchards, mostly apples, occupied hundreds of
acres. Our place was rented from a New York State man who had planted every kind of
apple we knew about and many varieties we never knew the names of."
Charlotte and her brother, Douglas traveled to school at Fruita 3 miles away in a horsedrawn school bus. The bus consisted of a wagon with seats along the sides and
benches for the little ones down the middle. It was roofed and had black oil-cloth
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�Fall was a lime of work, a time of apple picking and potato digging and of constructing
apple boxes. The growers built their own apple boxes from pre-cut sticks and boards.
Charlotte remembers doing her share of nailing. Then the apples were packed, hauled
to the Railroad Depot and shipped. Farm children have opportunities for varieties of
pets largely unavailable to city kids. Charlotte remembers one pet lamb which became
a nuisance in the neighborhood.
"He would follow our buggy wherever we went Once he followed us all the way to
Loma where he made himself a nuisance in the flower beds. Almost the whole town
turned out to make sure he followed us when we left."
When Charlotte was about 10 years old, her parents moved lo another place near
Fruita where they attended a country school for grades 4-8. William grew potatoes and
tomatoes as well as apples there. "While we were there a couple of burros came to live
with us. They just showed up. Douglas would try to ride one of them lo school, but he
usually didn't make it About halfway there the burro would tum around and head for
home and Doug would have to walk all the way to school anyway."
Charlotte loved to read and did a lot of writing, too. At the age of 9 she announced that
she intended to be a newspaper reporter, "I donl know why I said that, but it must have
been a premonition of things lo come."
In high school Charlotte especially enjoyed English, dramatics and journalism. She was
the editor of the first Fruita High School newspaper. In college Charlotte majored in
journalism and would have accepted a job on the Grand Junction newspaper, but the
wages were too low. Instead she taught school in Fruita for 4 years.
"I first came to the San Juan Basin to visit a college friend who lived in Cortez. I stayed
in Durango a while at the Sterling Hotel which was operated by Lawrence Wiseman's
mother. Mrs. Wiseman and I became good friends and she took me with her on a visit to
Ignacio to see Lawrence and Margaret. It was on this visit that I met my future husband.
Fay Jones worked at the sugar beet mill in Brighton during the fall and early winter.
During spring and summer he came back lo Ignacio to help his aunt and uncle run the
Commercial Hotel which was located on Goddard Avenue where the recent Bill Liesa
auto repair shop Is located." The hotel has burned down since then, but in its day
Charlotte says it was a very nice place and an interesting place to slay. "All kinds of
travelers, including Washington officials here on Tribal business stayed there. The
parlor was a place of lively conversation and fun in the evenings. The restaurant served
delicious food. A complete Sunday dinner cost forty cents." Inflation operated then too.
Charlotte says Louis Morris recalls what a blow it was when the Sunday dinners
increased for forty cents to fifty cents per meal.
"I stayed there in the hotel several days. They were so short handed that I was offered
a job and took it It was there I got acquainted with Fay. We were married in November
of 1933. Fay worked in the mill in Brighton till Christmas time. Then we came back to
Ignacio."

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and Charlotte got a chance to buy the Ignacio Chiefton, they took it. At that time the
Chiefton was located in one half of the building now occupied by Rudy's Lounge. The
other half of the building was Mr. Stauffer's Barber Shop (Jesse Hott's father). Charlotte
was the editor and reporter and Fay was the publisher and advertising manager. It
wasn't easy to keep a newspaper alive during the 30's. Many subscriptions were paid in
produce rather than with cash. One man paid his with strawberries for years.

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The Joneses have three children; Malcolm lives in La Porte, Texas, Jacqueline Rea
lives in Denver and Kathleen Rosenberg lives in Oakland, New Jersey.

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Faye died in 1968. Since then Charlotte has spent quite a bit of time traveling. She has
been to Canada twice to visit relatives and, also, on a bus tour of Mexico. No one is
surprised that Charlotte can't quit writing. She has written a number of short stories andis currently working on a history of the Presbyterian Church in this area. Every month
Mrs. Jones voluntarily supplies most of the news for this newsletter. A healthy interest in
life is rewardin~ and invigorating. Charlotte certainly has this.
"When I first came to Ignacio, I thought it was a fascinating place with it's variety of
cultures and traditions and its beautiful surroundings. I still do."
July, 1975 -- Shelby Smith

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Cleo was born in Blanco, New Mexico on May 1st, 1924. She moved to Ignacio, CO
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grandpa and aunts over here. I don't know why, but I did. We used to plant a lot of corn and
beans, make a big garden over there. It was dry land, but you know, it used to rain once in a
while. So, we used to go about our things. We had chickens, and we had horses, cows, and pigs.
They were just for our own use."
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had one daughter, Patricia, and Cleo has a grandson.
"I remember there used to be a hardware [store] not tCXifar from here. And, I think we used to
have one train station. But, we had to come here from the farm on a wagon, horses, because we
didn't have cars then. We used to come to church on Sundays on a wagon, real early in the
morning. It took us about a couple hours, I guess. We used to walk too, sometimes, or on
horseback.
My aunts used to tell me about the Great Depression, but I don't remember it. My uncle used to
have one of those little cars, you know? We used to ride in the back, because they were small
cars, real small. What did they used to call them? Model Ts. My uncle used to have sheep.
I worked while she [Patricia] was little. I worked for farmers, you know, doing their housework.
I was a dishwasher and a cleaning lady. My husband used to work for the farmers- out in the
fields, bailing hay, stuff like that. My daughter went to school here, she graduated from here
[Ignacio]. She has that little store up there [on Goddard Ave.], the thrift store. They also sell
new clothes. Her husband works there, too. My grandson is working in Bayfield, he's working
for some employer. They make buttons, but he's a receiver. I think he makes the orders, he
orders things.

�We used to celebrate San Ignacio. We used to come for San Ignacio. That used to be a lot of
fun. Oh, they used to have dances, they used to have church in the morning. Sometimes they
used to have a carnival.
I worked at the Senior Center for nine years. I used to clean the place. Then I moved from there
and went to the library. I worked there for about five years. I liked that job; it was nice. My
boss and I used to get along good; she was good. She's no longer there. Then, I was old enough
to get Social Security so I didn't work no more.11 \

Interviewed by Michael Miller
(Americorps*VISTA volunteer)
for the Ignacio Historical
Society, December 15th, 2003.

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