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                    <text>GENEVIEVE PENA GUNN
Genevieve Pena was born January 23, 1913, at Pagosa Junction, Colorado, one of the
children of Juan Pena and Mary Baker Pena. Mary was a Ute and was considered a
highly educated person in her day since she had finished the 12th grade at Haskell
Institute in Kansas.
"My grandparents," Genevieve says, "knew they had a gem of a person in my mother.
They loved and valued her highly. My father, who was a member of the San Juan
Pueblo near Espanola, N.M., came into this country herding sheep. When Dad wanted
to marry Mother, her parents and grandparents discussed it a long lime, finally deciding
Juan was industrious and good for the family. Dad offered to pay for Mother, but
apparently he had nothing which they considered valuable enough as a dowry. After
much thought the older Bakers set this condition. If Dad would work for the family for 2
years without pay, he could marry Mother. He agreed to this and was never sorry.

"When I was born," Genevieve says, "the area around Pagosa Junction was not almost
empty as it is today. The river valley and all the canyons leading up onto the mesas were
full of people. You should have seen the people pour out of the canyons when there was
a wedding or a celebration. There were about 20 houses in town, a train station, a
church, a hotel with a restaurant, a school and two stores, one run by the Gomez family
and the other by Walter Ziebriski. Both stores had good selections of general
merchandise. Ziebriski made quite a stir when he put a hand operated gasoline pump
out in front of his store. Since Ziebriski spoke English with a heavy accent, I could never
understand one word he said, but Dad could. I would listen to their conversations and as
soon as we left ask father, 'What did he say?'."
"The train was the lifeline of our town. We were a switching point on the main AlamosaDurango line for the branch to Pagosa Springs. That's why we needed a hotel. The
schedules didn't always match, so the people coming from or going to Pagosa were
often caught between trains and needed a place to spend the night. This gave use a
glimpse of the outside world, for some of the traveling people were dressed real fancy.
We admired them as they walked up and down the street in the evenings. The little girls
watching would say, 'This is our New York.' We were proud of the hotel. It had
everything but an indoor toilet."
"When it was time for us to go to school, Dad got a place right in town. Dad kept farming
and was a good farmer. I can still picture him planning his work and keeping his
accounts in a small tablet. He would look through it and say, 'I owe so-and-so two days
of work;' or 'So-and-so owes me a lamb this spring.'"

"I was so glad when I finished 6th grade. Thal was all the school I wanted, but I was sent
to the boarding school at Santa Fe to continue my education. What a scary trip that was.
I had ridden trains before, but never away from my parents and never so far away from
home. A bunch of us were loaded on the train to Antonito where we spent the first night.
I'm sure we all stuck out like sore thumbs, so curious and always saying, 'Look at this!'
or 'Look at that!' The next day we got onto another train which took us south to Santa
Fe."
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"Every summer I came home. The warm season was a busy time because we dried and
canned and stored up all the food we needed for the winter, No one was lazy. No one
seemed to mind hard work. They would get going and get it done. Every year we went
camping to pick fruit and berries - so many kinds, l don't remember them all. Of course,
there were chokecherries and the buffalo-berries. The river bottom near Sky Ute Downs
used to be thick with buffalo-berries. We found that some of the bushes produced sweet,
juicy berries while others nearby were sour. The location of those bushes was a family
secret."

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"All of us liked dances. They were held outside in good weather. If it was cold or wet,
Felix Gomez would let us use his barn. All of us got together to decorate it till it didn't
even look like a barn. We saved all our bright paper for paper chains and other
decorations, Young and old came with their lanterns. The old people were treated very
respectfully, even if they didn't dance, for they were the good fiddle players. We went
from one to another, asking them if they would play for us. When they got tired and went
home, the dance was over."

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"On Saint Days there were horse races and foot races. I once won a length of cloth in a
race. It was a welcome prize. People looked forward to the celebrations and the
contests. As the time approached we engaged in much speculation. Rumors would fly
around,' So-and-so has a real fast horse this year,' or 'so-and-so thinks he can beat last
year's winner."'

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"My mother, Mary Pena, was recruited every year to help distribute per capita payments
to the tribe. Dad would load the wagon and head for Arboles where we'd jump in the
river and cool off and have lunch before going on. We always camped near the agency
close to the present site of the Bear Dance Grounds for several days. Mother was
chosen because she knew the names of all the tribal members. She rode a car with two
armed guards from the BIA who kept between them a huge sack of silver money. None
of the Indians wanted checks or paper money. They didn't trust it. Each tribal member
was given a cup of silver money, large cups for adults, small ones for children. The
money wasn't counted exact. It was merely dipped into the sack and poured into the
men's hats. The beginnings of women's lib on the reservation may have started when
one of the wives insisted that her cup of money be poured into her shawl instead of into
her husband's hat."
"One January while l was still in high school at Santa Fe, 1 received the message that
my mother was dead. She had ridden the train to Ignacio, and the car she rode in was
so overheated that she was sweaty hot when she got off. The walk in the cold winter
wind from the depot up to the agency gave her fatal pneumonia."
"When I finished high school, there was nothing to keep me in Pagosa Junction, so I
came to Ignacio to stay with my aunt and uncle, Lucille and Frank Baker. I stayed with
them until I married Graves Gunn. Graves and I had seven children: Harold, Aletha,
Emery, Corrine, Sylvia, Janice, and Sandra. Harold and Emery are both dead now."
"My father, Juan Pena, is still alive and very active at 94. Long life seems to be a
tradition of his family. Juan's mother, Angelita Tapia, lived to be 108."

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�"When I look back to my childhood, I see that we were made happy with such simple
things. Going to Ignacio on the train was a once a year treat. In August Dad would say, 'I
think it's lime to go buy shoes and other things girls and boys need.' Thelma and I would
get so excited just thinking about the trip."
"Today the river has eaten away much of the land which used to belong to the town.
Ziebriski's store had fallen down and most of the homesteads are deserted, but when I
think of Pagosa Junction, I see it as it was 50 years ago. The school bell rings; the train
moves into town; the hotel is busy. The canyon people are riding into town for Saturday
shopping. (That's how we called them-the First Canyon people, or the Second Canyon
people to indicate which canyon the lived in up or down the river.) I remember the town
and the canyons full of life, homes and people. To see ii now, you'd think there had
never been anyone there."
Shelby Smith March, 1977

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GEORGE RICHMOND &amp; AMY (Cope) HAMS
Twelve year old George Hams and his friend Lee Canfield stood beside the road staring
intently into the distance. Even though the machine they were watching was still far
down the road, the boys could hear its rhythmic pop-pop-popping as it approached. A
lone figure in the auto sat very straight, holding stiffly to the steering bar. The boys were
excited because they were encountering their first automobile. They would have been
more excited had they known they were about to see their first auto wreck. The driver,
approaching at a fast clip, was unaware of a stretch of deep sand in the road. The hard
front wheels sank into the sand and the steering bar jerked from the driver's hands. As
the boys stared in fascination, the auto promptly capsized,
Hastings, a town of about 4,000 in southern Michigan, was a good place to live in 1898.
Located mid-way between the cities of Chicago and Detroit, it was an especially good
place for a curious teen-age boy to observe the mechanization and scientific revolution
occurring in America,

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The town was surrounded by rolling , forested hills with many clear streams running
through the country-side. A person could hardly trave l a mile in any direction without
finding a pond or lake. George was born there on October 22, 1896, the son of Martha
and William Hams. William was a carpenter, then started a grocery and bakery and did
well with these businesses. "We always had plenty to eat," George remembers,
"because many of the farmers who traded with the store didn't have any cash and would
pay for their supplies with meat or fruit or other garden produce. Our meat house was
always full of hams and turkeys.
The Hams bought a summer cabin on Gunn Lake near Hastings. George, his brother
William, and their mother spent the summers at the lake. It was a grand life for a boy.
The long summer days were occupied with fishing, swimming, boating and playing with
friends. On weekends Mr. Hams would travel out to the lake in an open buggy with an
umbrella top.
As fall approached, the family moved back to town for school enrollment. William bought
wood and set the boys to splitting it, "We mainly used maple, oak and beech for
firewood. Even after we installed a coal furnace, mother used wood in the cook stove."
Every fall the Hams gathered walnuts, butternuts and hazelnuts. George liked some fun
with his nut gathering. Mer a freeze he liked to climb carefully into the branches of a nut
tree overhanging a path or lane and wait for someone to come along. At the strategic
moment he would Jump vigorously up and down on the branches and bomb the
daylights out of his victims .
As it is today, winter was a marvelous time for kids, "We would sharpen our skates like
razors and race up and down the river or around the ponds near town. If we wanted to
ski, we usually tied barrel staves to our feet; or if we wanted something better, we took
elm wood to the engineer at the furniture factory. He steamed and shaped the wood.
Then we tacked old shoes to the boards and had a pretty fair set of skies."

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�Each fall Mr. Hams traded supplies to one of the farmers for ten gallons of wine which
he kept in a barrel in the cellar. What boy could resist sampling it? George surely didn't.
One day he and Lee Canfield sneaked into the cellar and sampled and sampled and
sampled.
"We got sick," George remembers.
George has good memories of school days. He was an honor student most of the time.
He admits to getting into mischief (some of which he won't tell about), but does admit to
playing "Penny on a Board" with greenhorns who moved into Hastings. To play "Penny
on a Board" George would bring out a pile of sand on a shingle, push a penny into the
pile and set it on the ground. Several youngsters, including the greenhorn, lined up a
ways from the pile and on the count of three raced lo see who could get the penny.
Actually the innocent-looking sand pile was more than sand. It was a pile of very fresh
cow dung or other manure covered with sand. As you can guess, the greenhorn was
allowed to win and wound up with more than he could handle.
In 1905 George's father sold out in Michigan and moved to Lake Arthur, New Mexico,
south of Roswell where he bought a hardware and lumber business. Since George had
only one year of high school left to finish, he was allowed to remain in Hastings. After
high school George was apprenticed to a pharmacist in Grand Rapids. He rented a small
apartment nearby and began his training. George dated a pretty little girl named Amy
Belle Cope who came into the drugstore occasionally. Amy worked at the Fox Typewriter
Co. in Grand Rapids. On dates George and Amy attended silent movies, burlesque
shows and the circus (Amy especially liked the side shows). Vaudeville shows were $.35
in the evening and $.15 in the afternoon. They made frequent visits to ice cream parlors,
rarely to restaurants. George and Amy were married in 1910. In 1911 Viola was born.
She was their only child.

The Hams made occasional trips to visit his parents in New Mexico. Cars had become
quite common, but good roads were rare. They have vivid memories of trips across the
plains. While crossing Oklahoma on one trip the Hams came to a region which had been
soaked with heavy rain. When they got bogged at the bottom of a hill, Amy agreed to get
out and push. Once the car got going, George couldn't stop. Not only was Amy
splattered with mud from head to foot, she also had to walk all the way up the hill
through deep mud to reach the car. Another time the Hams had completely bogged
down in a mud hole and were feeling hopeless until four young men on motorcycles
appeared. The cyclists got off their machines, walked over to the car (one to each
fender) picked the car up with the Hams still inside, set it on firm ground, and left.
In 1920 when Viola was about 9, Amy contracted tuberculosis. The doctors
recommended that she go to a dry climate like New Mexico for treatment. She did so
and year later she was pronounced cured. If 10 year old Viola hadn't asked for an ice
cream cone as they passed through Hagerman, N.M., on their way back home lo Grand
Rapids, the Hams family might still be in Michigan. George stopped, went into the drug
store for the ice cream and discovered the store was for sale. He bought it on the spot.

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�Life in Hagerman on the legendary Pecos River was quite different from life in Grand
Rapids. The Hams bought a place near the Russell Ranch and became good friends of
the Russell family, who proved to be invaluable help when most any problem arose.
George bought a few cows. When it came time for one of the calves to be weaned from
its mother, Amy had trouble. Mrs. Russell, who weighted about 200 pounds, came over
to help. She stepped a stride the shoulders of the calf, grasped its head and ears and
forced its head into the bucket. "If it gets balky again, just do that," Mrs. Russell advised.
The next day Amy decided to try to force feed the calf. It had not occurred to her that a
difference in weight of 110 pounds would matter. Amy, who weighed only 90 pounds got
astride the calf and got the ride of her life. Fortunately, Amy had as good a sense of
humor about this as about the mud.
George operated the drug store in Hagerman from 1921-1946. Though he preferred not
to be, he was considered a counter doctor by many of the residents of the area. George
and Amy sewed up more people than they like to remember. "One man had such a large
knife wound, we could see his heart beating." As in all parts of the country during the
great depression, many transients came through Hagerman. "We never refused anyone
a prescription, money or no money. One family passing through asked for medicine for a
sick baby. Years later we received a letter from them with money for the prescription."

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Viola moved to Ignacio in the 1940's. When the Hams came to visit, the green trees and
flowing streams brought back memories of Michigan. They had always missed the green
countryside while living on the dry plains. In 1946 George and Amy bought 40 acres
north of Ignacio, remodeled the house and spent many happy years here.
Amy died in 1970. George is now 88 years old. He's had a good life with much
happiness and filled with good memories. We are happy you moved here Mr. Hams and
wish you many more happy years.

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                    <text>LOUISA (Shaffer) HARTIG
Louisa's father was a Shaffer. Her mother was a Kinsloe whose line can be traced back
to 1777. Lucy Kinsloe was born in Knoxville, Tennessee, in 1856. Her father, John
Bannister Gibson Kinsloe was a newspaper publisher in Knoxville who later moved to
Lockhaven, Pennsylvania, where he published the Lockhaven Review and the Clinton
Republic. Al Carlisle College in Pennsylvania Lucy met Duncan Shaffer. When they
were married, Lucy and Duncan moved to Frostburg, Maryland, where the Shaffer's had
a well established business.
Frostburg is a small town (smaller than Durango) located in the narrow segment of
western Maryland between Pennsylvania and West Virginia. This is Allegheny Mountain
Country rich in the history of the Revolution and of the Civil War.
"Everyplace you go is either up or down," Louisa says.
Since the mountains there are rich in bituminous coal, mining was the chief industry
when Louisa's parents settled in Frostburg. The quality of the coal was such that it was
prized by the shipping lines for their coal burning vessels.
"The whole area is underlain with a network of mine tunnels," Louisa explains.
"However, the town itself was clean and neat. All the mining works were located out
away from the town. My father and his brothers jointly owned the H.B. Shaffer Co. They
sold dry goods, groceries, harness, millinery and household supplies. The business also
had an area for grain storage, a mill and a carriage house. I remember the time years
later when the old Opera House burned, It was just across the street from our business
and was such a hot fire. My dad and uncles poured water on the roof of our place until
the danger had passed."
"My parents owned one of the historic old houses in town. It had a large front porch with
pillars and seven bedrooms, but no modern conveniences - no bath, electricity, or gas.
However, we had one convenience few people can afford anymore - hired help. Enzie
Garletz maintained the house. She cleaned, did washing and ironing and most of the
cooking. Jim Wilhelm was the handyman. He maintained the yard, brought in fuel and
supplies, did repairs and took care of the horses and the buggies. Aunty Powell was the
midwife who helped bring me into the world. On occasions she took care of us when my
parents were away. When my brothers Henry and Francis and I were still small children,
we had a goat which could pull a little red cart with a red harness. Once in a while Jim
would hitch up the goat and away we would go down the alleys. I don't believe we were
ever allowed on the streets with this animal."
"My parents were very strict and quite old fashioned. I was never allowed to go to
carnivals or Saturday night dances. I was never allowed to work in the store. Young
"ladies" didn't do things like that. Being a "lady" in that lime and in that part of the country
involved a whole list of "does" and "don'ts" which might seem ridiculous to most people
today. Of course, not knowing any different, I accepted all the restrictions as normal and
had a very happy childhood. Dad eventually sold the old house. We moved for two
reasons. One was to get off Main Street. The other was to acquire plumbing, electricity
and gas. It was great to have these conveniences."
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woodsy area about 10 miles north of Frostburg across the Pennsylvania line. Cook's Mill
was a beautiful stream. We ate, romped in the water, ran in the woods and played
games. Even though it was only 10 miles, it was an all day trip. I always felt sorry for the
horses in that country - up and down hill everywhere we went."
"The 4th of July was a big deal, too. Dad would buy each of us 'a poke of fireworks' and
turn us loose."
"When the First World War started, I was about 12 years old. Once a week the ladies
and girls in Frostburg got together to knit caps and coats for the Belgian Babies."
"The crash in 1929 hit our family hard as it did everyone. We got fifteen cents on the
dollar for whatever was in the bank. During the years following, Dad's brothers died one
by one. Finally he sold out the business. The building was bought by the Knights of
Columbus and used for their meetings until it burned down a few years ago."
"In High School I started dating. My boyfriends and I went to the Nickelodeon shows at
the Palace and the Lyric Theaters. Sometimes we went to the Vaudeville shows at the
old Opera House. When the circus came, we had to go to Cumberland to see it. This
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Louisa and Martin Hartig were married in Baltimore in 1925. For years Martin was a
foreman at the Frostburg Cellunise Corporation, which manufactured artificial silk. He
changed jobs during the Second World War to the Blue Ribbon Bread Co. During the
war the windows of the plant were all painted black and all the homes in town had
blackout drapes. Whenever the air raid alarms went off at night everything was blacked
out in town. Any household showing a light was fined. The ladies in town got involved in
hospital work for the war effort.
''We made stretcher pads for the battlefront out of layers of lace curtains contributed by
the families in the county - and we made maroon slippers and robes for the Red Cross."
"Before and after the war Martin and I did a lot of traveling. We went to Quebec,
Canada, once and to Williamsburg and other points south. Martin was a big football fan .
Since our town was halfway between Washington and Pittsburgh, we took our pick on
the weekends of which place to go."
The Hartigs have one daughter, Lucy. In 1953 Lucy and her husband became parents of
twin girls, Marta and Marsha. Their grandfather, Martin, was especially proud because
the girls were born on his birthday, November 1oth. When the twins were a little over two
years old, their parents moved to Alamogordo, New Mexico. After a few months went by,
Martin said, "What do you think about moving to New Mexico?" Louisa replied, "If that's
what you want to do, let's go."
"We lived in Alamogordo 10 years and liked it. At first we especially enjoyed the warm
climate year round, but gradually we began to miss the changing of the seasons. When
the kids moved up to Colorado, we came too, and have liked it very much. The climate
and snow and changing seasons are much more like our old home in Maryland. We did
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�a lot of traveling in the west once we lived here - to Carlsbad and Mexico and Grand
Canyon and Yellowstone - all good times."
Martin died suddenly on June 4, 1971. A few months later Louisa sold their home in the
country and moved into Ignacio. She is an active participant in all the senior citizen's
activities in this area. Every Tuesday afternoon for the past 5 years she has taught
knitting and crocheting at the senior center.
There are things Louisa likes about the East and things she likes about the West and
there certainly are differences, she says. "For one thing, here it's not who you are, it's
what you've done that counts."
March, 1977 - Shelby Smith

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"My first language was German," Mr. Hasstedt recalls. "My parents were both born in
Germany and migrated to America when they were teenagers. My father, Jacob
Hasstedt, came to New York alone when he was 17, got a job in a store and soon
learned English well. He always had a noticeable accent, but he could speak in public, if
necessary. My mother, Julie Henning, moved to Boone, Iowa, where one or her brothers
had a bakery. Dad settled into that part of Iowa to farm. A few years after he and mother
were married, Dad began to develop a serious asthma condition. His doctors
recommended a move to western Kansas for a drier climate. When I was nine months
old, my parents loaded me, my two older sisters, and my older brother into a covered
wagon and headed west. They settled on a homestead near Buffalo Park - now called
Park, Kansas. Our first home there was a dugout, very warm, but small. Dad built a sod
stable for the farm animals. Each year we planted trees and made other improvements
to qualify for ownership of the homestead. The climate was harsh. There were snow
blizzards in winter and blistering hot winds in summer. I have passed green fields of
corn in the morning and returned in the evening to hear the leaves rattling and dry after
only one day of hot wind."
After the Hasstedt's claim was clear, they were permitted to file on a timber claim near"
the Saline River, 4 miles away. About this time, they bought a one room frame house to
move onto their land. Even though it was small, it was an improvement over the dugout.
The children climbed a ladder to sleep in the attic. The winter winds often sifted snow
through the shingles, piling snow on their beds.
"I started school at the age of 8. Since tax money was very scarce, school sessions
lasted at the most 6 months and sometimes only 4 months. There were no grades.
Pupils read in the First Reader, the Second Reader, etc. Each year every student, no
matter how old, started with the First Reader, reading through the familiar material, book
after book, for a review until they reached a difficult level. At that time the teacher would
assist them to learn the new words. My help was needed on the farm each fall. Instead
of starting to school in September, it was usually Thanksgiving before I could go. I began
plowing with a walking plow when I was 12. We used a breaking plow to cut the tightly
knit sod to open new land. Then we used a stirring plow to break up and tum the soil.
Following the plow is weary work. I caught myself sleepwalking many times, awakening
only when the plow had hit a rock. By attending school only part time, I was 21 years old
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"There was little for young people to enjoy in those days. Sometimes had parties, or
school activities or church activities. The first minister in that part of Kansas was a
Congregationalist preacher. I joined that church when I was 12. From the time I was a
small child, I liked to listen to the preachers speak and wished I could do that. This
desire stayed with me. In my early 20's I decided to enroll in the Moody Bible Institute in
Chicago to learn more about the Bible. I rode the train to Chicago and was amazed at
the city. The lamplighters going on their evening rounds, the elevated railways,
everything was new to me. I attended the institute for 6 months and was still undecided
about preaching when I returned home. Soon after, some of the people told the minister,
'Let Rudolph preach.' It took me 2 weeks to write a sermon. When the day came, I was
quite nervous, but it went over well. The people liked it and most important I found out I
could do it and enjoyed doing it. Soon afterward I enrolled in a Congregational Church
Academy at Eureka, Kansas. There I went to school and preached for 2 country
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�In 1907 Susie Frances McClure and I were married. After finishing at the academy, we
moved to Topeka where I attended Washburn College."
"Later, Susie and I decided to move to Kiowa County in Colorado. We homesteaded
land near Eads. A Presbyterian minister came to preach at Eads once a month from La
Junta. When the people found out I could preach they let me speak for them and soon
gave me his job. I soon was traveling to two country churches to preach part time. With
a horse and buggy it required a lot of time going back and forth. My first Model T
expanded my range considerably. They soon had me going to Chivington and Brandon,
also. To most common people the Model Twas the most important invention of that
time. It would travel in all kinds of weather. Rain or snow all you had to do was button
down side curtains, put your nose against the windshield and go. Once while I was
taking an elderly man to the doctor in Colorado Springs, I remarked to him, 'I don't see
why anybody would want anything any better than this.' II was a cold miserable day. The
side curtains were flapping in the wind and we were wrapped in blankets. Uncomfortable
as people would be today, we thought it was wonderful to make such speed."
"In 1918 we moved to Florida Mesa to work with the Presbyterian congregations there
and at Bayfield. Our trip across the mountains was an experience to remember. Wolf
Creek Pass was little more than a trail. We stayed 3 years, living in the manse on
Florida Mesa before moving on to Monument. I was out of the ministry for one year.
Then I was assigned lo the Monument church for 13 years."
"In 1937 I was again assigned to the San Juan Larger parish which included Florida
Mesa, Bayfield, Ignacio and Allison. I stayed with this assignment until I retired in 1949.
In the later years the roads improved, but in the early years it was a real challenge to
make the rounds. Al one time I had a Model T, a buggy, a sled and a saddle. All were
needed at one time or another."
The Hasstedts had three children. Julia now lives in Castle Rock. Cecil and Dorothy are
both in Bayfield. Susie Hasstedt died in December of 1965. Mr. Hasstedt is now 99. He
has this bit of advice, 'Old age is not all fun. Put it off as long as possible.' Of course this
is said in fun. Mr. Hasstedt is in good health. His hearing is good. He has a good
appetite and he feels good. Best of all, his mind is sharp and full of good humor. One
thing he regrets is the gradual losing of his eyesight. he has given away all his books.
"I can't read any more. Fortunately, I have memorized a good deal of scripture, but I
have forgotten a lot of it, too. They usually let me preach on the Sunday nearest to my
birthday. I don't like to talk about hell and damnation. My favorite subject of them all is
God and his plan of salvation for all men."
Mr. Hasstedt now lives in Bayfield with his son, Cecil, and his daughter in law, Doris. We
wish lo thank him for all the years he has been a help and an encouragement to his
fellowman and wish him many more years of good health.
August, 1978 - Shelby Smith

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                    <text>KARL and EDA (Kreuger/Olbert) HAUERT
Not far from the Black Forest in the south part of Germany is the town of Baden-Baden.
Andrew Hauert and his family were the latest in a long line of Hauerts who had lived and
reared their families there. All the 'common people in Germany had a craft. Andrew was
a weaver. He earned extra money working on the farm of a large land owner. Owning
his own land was unthinkable as it was for most of the common people in Europe.

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When Andrew got the idea to come to America, his brothers did not approve at all, but
Andrew persisted for several reasons. Among them, he wanted to own land and he
wanted to get himself and his family away from the military. All the young men in
Germany were drafted, went through rigorous training and were required to stay in the
army a long time.
In 1893 Andrew, his wife Lizzie and their children sailed for America. His brothers were
certain it was a foolish venture and that Andrew would want to return, but they were
wrong. Andrew didn't stop until he reached Prove, Utah. There he worked for a while
until he heard about a settlement of German people in Thompson Park between
Durango and Mancos, Colorado. After moving his family to Colorado, Andrew worked in
the sawmill, then he leased a ranch below Hesperus. He had $7.25 to start ranching, but
he managed. It was here that little Karl, who was only 2 years old when the Hauerts
came to America, began to learn farming and ranching. When Karl was 6, his parents
boarded him with the Olberts at Thompson Park so he could attend school there. Fairly
often the Utes, visiting back and forth between Ute Mountain and Ignacio, stopped for
the night at the Olbert's ranch. Chief Ignacio was with them sometimes.
"Usually, the Indians would have supper with us," Karl recalls, "and visit for a while.
Once old Mr. Dibert decided to play a trick on one of the Indians. He placed a small
piece of limburger cheese on his plate. As soon as the man smelled the cheese, he left
the house and refused to return."
A few years later Andrew bought a farm on C herry Creek in Thompson Park. Kart
remembers, "That year we didn't have much money. So we skinned and ate 7 deer.
There wasn't any season then. I got so tired of deer meat that year. I have never liked it
again."
As time permitted, the Hauerts built a large farmhouse, a barn and other outbuildings.
Their water was supplied by a spring which was piped into the house. For heat the
Hauerts mined their own coal. "We had to dig quite a ways back into the seam before we
found good coal, but finally we found some of the best in the area."
Karl and his father built a large, very strong corral. Unexpectedly, this made him some
new friends and gave him a small bit of income once or twice a year. "A bunch of
cowboys would round up wild horses in Utah and the Four Corners area and drive them
to Denver to sell. They always stopped at my father's ranch overnight because his corral
was the only one large enough and strong enough to hold the animals. They always left
the best two horses for my dad. He would break them to ride and sell them to the
Indians for $5.00 or $10.00 each."
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�Karl and Minnie Melugin were married. They had three children: Ruth, Robert and
Shirley all of whom were reared on the ranch on Cherry Creek. Until 1905 there was no
church in Thompson Park. That year Julius Frese, an ordained minister of the Lutheran
Church from Omaha moved there lo organize a church. Eventually, a chapel was built to
serve the people of that area.
One year the Olberts of Thompson Park sent their son Louis to accompany a load of
cattle to the stockyards in Omaha. Louis was invited to stay as a guest in the home of
the Rev. Mr. Julius Frese's parents, the family of the Rev. E.J. Frese. It was on this
occasion Louis met 19 year old Eda Krueger, the adopted daughter of the Frees family.
Louis and Eda were immediately interested in one another. "How could I not be
interested in a handsome cowboy from Colorado," Eda remarks.
How Eda Krueger came to be adopted into the Frese family is a very interesting and
often sad story. The Kruegers also migrated to America from Germany. Eda's father,
William had money enough for one person's passage. He came alone to Iowa where he
worked on the farms until he could bring his wife and two children, Martha and Franz to
America. They farmed the rich Iowa land directly across the Missouri River from Omaha.
They attended church in Omaha where E.J. Frese was the pastor. The children went to
school at the Lutheran parochial school. Two more children were born, William and Eda.
When Eda was 6 months old, her mother Augusta died.
In 1903 Mr. Krueger heard about available land in Oklahoma. He decided he wanted a
change of scene and a new life there. In April he moved his family to a farm near Minco,
Oklahoma, about 50 miles SW of Oklahoma City. He was just getting started in
developing the place when he died suddenly in August of the same year. Martha was
adopted by a banking family in Minco. Franz was old enough to be somewhat on his
own. The Frese family in Omaha asked for Eda. She rode the train all alone back to
Omaha. "They were a fine family,'' Eda says. "They kept me for 10 years and treated me
just wonderful."
When 15 year old William, came back to Omaha, he lived in the YMCA, worked in a
grocery store and put himself through business school. His hard work and perseverance
paid off. William got a good job in one of the Omaha banks. During all those years in
Omaha, Eda did his laundry and kept in close touch with him.
Eda and Louis Olbert corresponded for 2 years before they decided to get married.
Louis did not really oppose her choice of a husband, but did not understand why she
wanted to marry and live so far away in such wild country. Eda wanted a home, a place
of her own, but on the train ride to Colorado, she could not help wondering just how
primitive life might be in La Plata County. It was 1913 when the train with Louis and Eda
puffed into Durango. "When I saw the streetcar on Main Street, I was greatly relieved. I
decided if Durango had streetcars, it could not be too wild a place."
"Thompson Park, of course, had no street cars, but I had no complaints about my life
there. We stayed with the old Phillip Olberts until we could build a place of our own.
They were always very kind to me. In the spring we started a house of our own. It
wasn't Omaha. For a long time we hauled water from Cherry Creek for household use,
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but eventually Louis built a 700 barrel cistern up the hill from our house. It was a pit
lined with stone and mortar and coated wit plaster. When the water was piped down to
the house the whole family knew I was so excited. They all said they were going to
come and watch me take my first bath."
Louis and Eda had one son, Alfred. "He spoke beautiful German," Ida recalls, "but that
just about had to come to an end during World War I." The war years were very hard on
German immigrants. All teaching of German language in schools came to a stop.
Books were burned. Some people badly over-reacted toward German-Americans and
heaped verbal abuse on who exhibited a German accent or German heritage.
(The final page of Karl &amp; Eda's story is missing. I remember, though, that Louis
O/bert died and later Eda marn"ed Karl Hauert. They were living in a very large, nice
home on the hill west of Ignacio when I interviewed them in October of 1975. I spoke
German with them, using the little I retained from a college class taken in 1956. We had
many laughs over my ineptness, but they appreciated my attempts.)

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SHELBY SMITH -- October, 1975

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                    <text>MARTIN HAYES
Lilly Fish Hayes gave birth to her 5th child July 30, 1896, near La Boca, Colorado. Her
band, the Capote Band was encamped on a hill above the Pine River for the summer.
Martin was born in a tepee like countless other Lites back through the generations. Lilly
and her children had little conception of the great changes about to affect their tribe. Not
much longer would the LIies hunt the deer and the rabbits for their food. Not much longer
would they have skill with bows and arrows. Not much longer would they weave their
own fish seines from strips of oak fibers. Martin learned these skills as a boy. As he
became a man, he learned farming skills also. When he got his own land, he raised
wheat and oats, potatoes and corn and the other necessary vegetables for the table.
Martin remembers the many ceremonials and dances and the horse racing and
gambling which entertained the tribe in the old days. His own tastes were more for quiet
things. Martin liked to fish. He especially liked to ride his horse into the middle of the
Pine River and fish from horseback.
All of Martin's brothers and his sister are dead now. He never married, but he raised his
nephew, Erdman Tobias, from the lime he was a child. Erdman still lives with Martin and
they are very close.
Though life has changed greatly for his tribe, Martin continues to lead a very simple
existence. He has never driven a car and states, "I'd never make it home, if I tried." He
has never traveled far from the Pine Valley except for one trip to Utah.
When asked whether he would like to have the old days back, Martin says, "I'm enjoying
myself. I like the new things that are coming about."
April, 1977 -- Shelby Smith, translated by Isabel Kent

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Tennessee and what brought my mother, Sally Teter and her family out of Missouri.
Both families arrived at Flora Vista, New Mexico, about the same time. When mother
and dad married, my mother already had three daughters from a previous marriage.
. Her first husband had died. My half-sisters were Belle, Dora and Hazel. The year before
my parent's marriage, dad had taken a ranch on the La Plata River northwest of
Farmington, N.M. That's where I and my little brother Teddy, were born. Dad called his
place "The Greenhorn Ranch" because he said all the settlers in that part of the valley,
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"We had dry land about two and a half miles east of the river. The men decided to build
an irrigation ditch. The contour of the land required a ditch 7 miles long which the men
dug by hand with picks and-shovels. With no one to survey it, they had to eyeball and
estimate the grade the best they could. They had problems with it, but it worked when
they had enough water. While we were there, Teddy died of the whooping cough when
he was only two years old.''
"Dad raised corn and alfalfa and a big garden. Mother canned all the food she could. I
suppose we would have starved without the garden. I learned to milk the cow and feed
the pigs and chickens. It was fun to milk. When I first learned, I took a 5 pound lard can,
milked it full and thought I had done enough. Mother soon explained, if I started, I had to
finish or I would ru in the cow. My folks were very poor, but that wasn't unusual. There
were many poor people then. We drove a team and wagon to Farmington, which was
about 3 blocks long or to Aztec, the county seat, which wasn't much bigger. When dad
finally could buy a buggy, we thought we had something. We were so thrilled."
..At Christmas time my parents didn't have much money to spend, but I always got at
least one nice toy and something to wear. You could buy a beautiful doll for a dollar. I
attended the Williams School until the 10th grade. My dad served as school director
with Joe Glaister and John Smith for years and years. He helped raise the money to buy
materials and build the school. Frequently, we had dances to earn money for school
expenses. The old school is still there. It's now used as a fire station for the community."

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"In 1911 every bridge was washed off the La Plata River. One or two persons drowned .
Somebody a few years ago built a house close to the mouth of the river near
Farmington. I don't wish them any harm, but someday that house is going to be washed
away."

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"World War I came and went while we were still on the farm. We didn't know a lot about
the time he came home from the war except what we read in the Aztec paper. It
seemed very far away. I met William Hill about the time he came home from the war. He
had a farm on the La Plata about 10 miles north of dad's place. We were married in July
of 1926. I had one daughter, Frances, from an earlier marriage. Frances learned to love
William and he loved her. We farmed the place on the La Plata and did well. Both of us
loved to go. I'm still a gadfly. We traveled every year to Arizona, or California or Oregon.

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�We saw all the sights. William liked to gamble. Sometimes we would stop at Reno. He
got good at those games. If he started to lose, he'd walk away for a day or so. If he
started to win, he stuck with it and sometimes made a lot of money. Of course ii didn't
cost much to travel then. Gas was about 15 cents a gallon. When we were first married,
we had a Model T Roadster. We got to Portland, Oregon, just as they were having a
gas war. We filled up with 10 cent gas and took off down the street. A little further down
the road we saw a place offering 9 cent gas. William said, 'I have a notion to go to the
edge of town and dump this and fill up with 9 cent gas,' but he didn't."
"William and I had no children of our own, but we had a wonderful life on the farm and
on our trips. By 1950 William was not able to work any more. He suffered from
emphysema caused by the poison gas he breathed during the war. The next 16 years
he was in and out of the veteran's hospital until he died in 1966."
"I moved to Ignacio to be near by daughter and son-in-law Frances and Dick Baird, and
their children. Three of my grandchildren also live in Ignacio, Janneth King, and her
brothers Clifford and Dale. Richard Baird lives in Arizona and Bill is in California."
"Things in this country have changed a lot in the last 50 years. When I was a little girl,
the road over the hills between the La Plata River and Aztec was hardly a road, but I
loved to go on that rough trail then just as I love to go now when travel is easy.'
Shelby Smith -- Taken in June of 1979.

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EMMET &amp; JESSIE (Stauffer) HOTT
"My dad, Robert P. Hott was raised by his grandparents in Paw Paw, West Virginia. His
mother died when He was four and his father was killed in a Civil War Battle on his own
land. At the age of 12, dad ran away from home and got a job on a cattle ranch in
Missouri. From then on ranching was his life. He moved west to Farmington and to the
L.C. Ranch in the Blue Mountains west of Monticello. He married Emma Peterson at
Moab, Utah, and later came to Pagosa Springs and then to the ranch on Spring Creek."
"I was born at Pagosa Springs on December 12, 1910. The physician attending my
mother was Dr. Mary Fisher, a highly respected doctor and one of the few lady doctors
of that time. My mother and I rode home on the train to Tiffany and then on the sled to
the ranch . One of my earliest memories is of riding behind my Dad on his horse to
check the cattle. When I was small, Dad owned 5,000 head of cattle, which he placed
on his summer range north of Pagosa Springs. Sometimes my mother and I visited my
older brother on the summer pasture. The trip took one full day with a horse and buggy.
When Dad lost his rights to the summer range at O'Neal Park, he leased another range
on the Little Blanco River south and east of Pagosa."
"I started to school 1/2 mile north of our home place at Mason School. I guess kids
always have to have their fun. Not many days went by without some one putting a
skunk under the school house, or a snake in the teacher's desk or some other trick. In
1918 Dad bought a touring car from Mr. Vanbrimmer's Agency in Durango. It was a 6
cylinder Case and a very good car. Later he bought a 7 seater Jeffry. It was fancy with
two jump seats in the back. Dad never learned to drive. My older brothers always took
the wheel and the one time he tried, he landed in the ditch. They teased him so much,
he never tried again. We still used horses and sleds in the winter. The cars were
drained and put on blocks until April or May. I started driving when I was 12. Nobody
needed a license. If you were big enough to move the car down the road, you could
drive. When my brother, Rex, started dealing in used cars in Durango, he found a used
Overland for me. It was a stylish car which I enjoyed a lot. There wasn't much time for
play. My friends, Sandy Scott and Hershel! La Londe and I played baseball and went to
dances when we could, but most of the time our parents kept us busy irrigating, haying,
and feeding the cattle. It was hard work, but I loved my life on the ranch."
"After 8 years at Mason School, I went to high school 2 years at Tiffany. At the age of
19, I was hired to work in the bank at Ignacio for $8.00 per month. The only other
employees were Iva Waite, (Vida Ritter's sister) and Merrill Turner, who at that time was
managing the bank for Emmet Wirt. My job was everything from cleanup to posting
checks to working at the window."
"I met Jessie Stauffer at a fire in Allison. We both attended a dance in Allison one
evening when A.O. Young's store caught fire. We began visiting while we watched the
fire and that started our friendship. Soon afterwards, Jessie and I began going to
dances and to the movies at the Ute Theater in Ignacio and at the Kiva in Durango. We
really enjoyed the kind of movies made then. Many of them were musicals with a lot of
singing and dancing and a happy theme. We remember one starring Buddy Rogers
called 'We'd make a Peach of a Pair'."
Jessie was born in Ignacio on December 13, 1914. Her mother, Margaret Leota (Davis)
Stauffer, was born in Belmont, Ohio. When her first husband died, she got a job at the
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the far west.
"While working at the Agency," Jessie related, "mother met Jesse Stauffer and they
were soon married. Dad owned a barber shop in the block south of the bank. I attended
school in Ignacio all 12 years. People must have considered me a tom boy because I
liked every king of sport. All the kids played baseball and I was on the girl's basketball
team. When I was a child at home, the town was full of young families with children. My
playmates were the Andersons, Flints, Morrises, Bryans and the McJunkins. We were
never bored. We were always playing kick-the-can or run-sheep-run. None of the
streets were paved, but we roller skated on the sidewalks. I tried to learn to ride a bike,
but the streets were so rough. Every time I tried I fell and hurt myself or ran into a car or
got my pants leg caught in the chain, so I quit. The town had no water system. All water
for household use was pumped from wells at the street corners and carried into the
homes, but we did have electricity. The lines came down from Bayfield in the 1920's.
We were so pleased to have a radio to hear Amos &amp; Andy and all the other good shows
on KOA Denver."
"Dad often took us on trips. Some of them were all the way to Iowa and Wyoming. Once
in our Model T Fond we met a car on Wolf Creek Pass and almost got pushed off the
edge. It was really no more than a one lane road in the 20's."
"When Emmet and I began dating, he had a yellow 1929 DeSoto convertible with spoke
wheels. In the evenings when he left the bank to drive home, he'd open the "cutout",
which let the exhaust bypass the muffler, and I could hear his car for 2-3 miles out of
town."
"The summer after I finished high school, Emmet and I were married on July 10, 1933.
We rented the house where Lawrence and Margaret Wiseman later lived for so many
years. We stayed in town until Emmet's dad died, then moved out to operate the ranch.
We had two children, Margaret, who now lives in Lake Havasu, Arizona, and Bob, who
now lives on the ranch with his family. The ranch was a good life for us. We never
wanted anything else. Our children enjoyed it and now Bob's children seem to love it as
much as we did. The depression was hard, but we always had plenty to eat. We had
good neighbors. We especially enjoyed Graves and Ada Kent. Graves was one of my
mother's students at the Indian School. She remembered Graves as being small, but
strong as an ox. Often she accompanied the Indian baseball teams to their games. It
was a rough game at times. She always told the boys, 'If they spike you, you spike 'em
back'."
Emmet served on the school board in the Tiffany area before the schools were
consolidated. He was on the Board of County Commissioners from 1948-1964. He says
that job wasn't much fun, but was more fun than it would be now. The Hotts moved back
to their home in Ignacio in 1972. Recently Emmet served as mayor of Ignacio for two
years. The Hotts love to travel. In recent years they have taken trips to the Caribbean,
to Hawaii and last year to Australia, New Zealand and the Fiji Islands. When asked what
they want to do now that they are semi-retired and out of politics, they answer, "Travel
some more."
By Shelby Smith, January, 1980

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Charlotte Gorman was born in Chicago, the daughter of William and Frances Gorman,
both of whom were Canadian immigrants born near Toronto, Ontario. When William
and Frances met in Chicago in 1900, William worked for the Chicago Street Railroad
Co, which operated horse-drawn street cars all over the Chicago metro area. Women
were supposedly unliberated in 1900, but Frances played golf often and well. Both she
and William were interested in the theater. Years later Charlotte says she recalls
hearing them talkins about the Berrymores and the- Drews and other famous acting
families of that period. Most recreation in Chicago during the summer centered around
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access to town was a packet boat which came along once a day. If we wanted to go to
town for shopping or to send mail, we raised a flag on the boat as a signal for the
packet boat to stop. These vacations were a cool relaxing time of swimming, fishing,
sunbathing and rest."
Charlotte's memories of Chicago, such as those above, have been reinforced by her
parents, since she was only about four years old when the Gormans moved to the
Ozarks. Before William retired he began dabbling in the buying and selling of real
estate. He moved the family onto one of his plots near Ironton and Burbank, Missouri,
about 90 miles south of St. Louis. During the year and a half the Gormans were there,
William was the postmaster in Ironton. Then William heard of the Loma Land
Development Co. which was opening farming land in the Colorado River Valley west of
Grand Junction and Fruita. William and many other easterners invested in farmland
there. A Presbyterian Mission was opened at Loma and is still operating, but the farm
projects did not do so well. Neither the Gormans nor the other Easterners had heard of
alkali land. Most of the farms at Loma proved largely unsuitable for irrigated farming.
Therefore, the Gormans moved to Orchard Heights near Fruita. Then began some of
the most enjoyable years of Charlotte's life .
"Orchard Heights was a beautiful place. We could look right up into the Colorado
National Monument from our yard. The orchards, mostly apples, occupied hundreds of
acres. Our place was rented from a New York State man who had planted every kind of
apple we knew about and many varieties we never knew the names of."
Charlotte and her brother, Douglas traveled to school at Fruita 3 miles away in a horsedrawn school bus. The bus consisted of a wagon with seats along the sides and
benches for the little ones down the middle. It was roofed and had black oil-cloth
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�Fall was a lime of work, a time of apple picking and potato digging and of constructing
apple boxes. The growers built their own apple boxes from pre-cut sticks and boards.
Charlotte remembers doing her share of nailing. Then the apples were packed, hauled
to the Railroad Depot and shipped. Farm children have opportunities for varieties of
pets largely unavailable to city kids. Charlotte remembers one pet lamb which became
a nuisance in the neighborhood.
"He would follow our buggy wherever we went Once he followed us all the way to
Loma where he made himself a nuisance in the flower beds. Almost the whole town
turned out to make sure he followed us when we left."
When Charlotte was about 10 years old, her parents moved lo another place near
Fruita where they attended a country school for grades 4-8. William grew potatoes and
tomatoes as well as apples there. "While we were there a couple of burros came to live
with us. They just showed up. Douglas would try to ride one of them lo school, but he
usually didn't make it About halfway there the burro would tum around and head for
home and Doug would have to walk all the way to school anyway."
Charlotte loved to read and did a lot of writing, too. At the age of 9 she announced that
she intended to be a newspaper reporter, "I donl know why I said that, but it must have
been a premonition of things lo come."
In high school Charlotte especially enjoyed English, dramatics and journalism. She was
the editor of the first Fruita High School newspaper. In college Charlotte majored in
journalism and would have accepted a job on the Grand Junction newspaper, but the
wages were too low. Instead she taught school in Fruita for 4 years.
"I first came to the San Juan Basin to visit a college friend who lived in Cortez. I stayed
in Durango a while at the Sterling Hotel which was operated by Lawrence Wiseman's
mother. Mrs. Wiseman and I became good friends and she took me with her on a visit to
Ignacio to see Lawrence and Margaret. It was on this visit that I met my future husband.
Fay Jones worked at the sugar beet mill in Brighton during the fall and early winter.
During spring and summer he came back lo Ignacio to help his aunt and uncle run the
Commercial Hotel which was located on Goddard Avenue where the recent Bill Liesa
auto repair shop Is located." The hotel has burned down since then, but in its day
Charlotte says it was a very nice place and an interesting place to slay. "All kinds of
travelers, including Washington officials here on Tribal business stayed there. The
parlor was a place of lively conversation and fun in the evenings. The restaurant served
delicious food. A complete Sunday dinner cost forty cents." Inflation operated then too.
Charlotte says Louis Morris recalls what a blow it was when the Sunday dinners
increased for forty cents to fifty cents per meal.
"I stayed there in the hotel several days. They were so short handed that I was offered
a job and took it It was there I got acquainted with Fay. We were married in November
of 1933. Fay worked in the mill in Brighton till Christmas time. Then we came back to
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Chiefton was located in one half of the building now occupied by Rudy's Lounge. The
other half of the building was Mr. Stauffer's Barber Shop (Jesse Hott's father). Charlotte
was the editor and reporter and Fay was the publisher and advertising manager. It
wasn't easy to keep a newspaper alive during the 30's. Many subscriptions were paid in
produce rather than with cash. One man paid his with strawberries for years.

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been to Canada twice to visit relatives and, also, on a bus tour of Mexico. No one is
surprised that Charlotte can't quit writing. She has written a number of short stories andis currently working on a history of the Presbyterian Church in this area. Every month
Mrs. Jones voluntarily supplies most of the news for this newsletter. A healthy interest in
life is rewardin~ and invigorating. Charlotte certainly has this.
"When I first came to Ignacio, I thought it was a fascinating place with it's variety of
cultures and traditions and its beautiful surroundings. I still do."
July, 1975 -- Shelby Smith

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Charlotte Gorman was born in Chicago, the daughter of William and Frances Gorman,
both of whom were Canadian immigrants born near Toronto, Ontario. When William
and Frances met in Chicago in 1900, William worked for the Chicago Street Railroad
Co, which operated horse-drawn street cars all over the Chicago metro area. Women
were supposedly unliberated in 1900, but Frances played golf often and well. Both she
and William were interested in the theater. Years later Charlotte says she recalls
hearing them talkins about the Berrymores and the- Drews and other famous acting
families of that period. Most recreation in Chicago during the summer centered around
Lake Michigan.

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"In the summer my mother and her brothers and sisters usually rented a houseboat on
the lake. The boat was moored to a pier off the shore several miles from town. The only
access to town was a packet boat which came along once a day. If we wanted to go to
town for shopping or to send mail, we raised a flag on the boat as a signal for the
packet boat to stop. These vacations were a cool relaxing time of swimming, fishing,
sunbathing and rest."
Charlotte's memories of Chicago, such as those above, have been reinforced by her
parents, since she was only about four years old when the Gormans moved to the
Ozarks. Before William retired he began dabbling in the buying and selling of real
estate. He moved the family onto one of his plots near Ironton and Burbank, Missouri,
about 90 miles south of St. Louis. During the year and a half the Gormans were there,
William was the postmaster in Ironton. Then William heard of the Loma Land
Development Co. which was opening farming land in the Colorado River Valley west of
Grand Junction and Fruita. William and many other easterners invested in farmland
there. A Presbyterian Mission was opened at Loma and is still operating, but the farm
projects did not do so well. Neither the Gormans nor the other Easterners had heard of
alkali land. Most of the farms at Loma proved largely unsuitable for irrigated farming.
Therefore, the Gormans moved to Orchard Heights near Fruita. Then began some of
the most enjoyable years of Charlotte's life .
"Orchard Heights was a beautiful place. We could look right up into the Colorado
National Monument from our yard. The orchards, mostly apples, occupied hundreds of
acres. Our place was rented from a New York State man who had planted every kind of
apple we knew about and many varieties we never knew the names of."
Charlotte and her brother, Douglas traveled to school at Fruita 3 miles away in a horsedrawn school bus. The bus consisted of a wagon with seats along the sides and
benches for the little ones down the middle. It was roofed and had black oil-cloth
curtains which could be closed during bad weather.

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"All the young ones in our area played 'hide and go seek' and went swimming during
the warm months. During winter we had community parties or went ice skating on the
stock ponds."

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�Fall was a lime of work, a time of apple picking and potato digging and of constructing
apple boxes. The growers built their own apple boxes from pre-cut sticks and boards.
Charlotte remembers doing her share of nailing. Then the apples were packed, hauled
to the Railroad Depot and shipped. Farm children have opportunities for varieties of
pets largely unavailable to city kids. Charlotte remembers one pet lamb which became
a nuisance in the neighborhood.
"He would follow our buggy wherever we went Once he followed us all the way to
Loma where he made himself a nuisance in the flower beds. Almost the whole town
turned out to make sure he followed us when we left."
When Charlotte was about 10 years old, her parents moved lo another place near
Fruita where they attended a country school for grades 4-8. William grew potatoes and
tomatoes as well as apples there. "While we were there a couple of burros came to live
with us. They just showed up. Douglas would try to ride one of them lo school, but he
usually didn't make it About halfway there the burro would tum around and head for
home and Doug would have to walk all the way to school anyway."
Charlotte loved to read and did a lot of writing, too. At the age of 9 she announced that
she intended to be a newspaper reporter, "I donl know why I said that, but it must have
been a premonition of things lo come."
In high school Charlotte especially enjoyed English, dramatics and journalism. She was
the editor of the first Fruita High School newspaper. In college Charlotte majored in
journalism and would have accepted a job on the Grand Junction newspaper, but the
wages were too low. Instead she taught school in Fruita for 4 years.
"I first came to the San Juan Basin to visit a college friend who lived in Cortez. I stayed
in Durango a while at the Sterling Hotel which was operated by Lawrence Wiseman's
mother. Mrs. Wiseman and I became good friends and she took me with her on a visit to
Ignacio to see Lawrence and Margaret. It was on this visit that I met my future husband.
Fay Jones worked at the sugar beet mill in Brighton during the fall and early winter.
During spring and summer he came back lo Ignacio to help his aunt and uncle run the
Commercial Hotel which was located on Goddard Avenue where the recent Bill Liesa
auto repair shop Is located." The hotel has burned down since then, but in its day
Charlotte says it was a very nice place and an interesting place to slay. "All kinds of
travelers, including Washington officials here on Tribal business stayed there. The
parlor was a place of lively conversation and fun in the evenings. The restaurant served
delicious food. A complete Sunday dinner cost forty cents." Inflation operated then too.
Charlotte says Louis Morris recalls what a blow it was when the Sunday dinners
increased for forty cents to fifty cents per meal.
"I stayed there in the hotel several days. They were so short handed that I was offered
a job and took it It was there I got acquainted with Fay. We were married in November
of 1933. Fay worked in the mill in Brighton till Christmas time. Then we came back to
Ignacio."

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and Charlotte got a chance to buy the Ignacio Chiefton, they took it. At that time the
Chiefton was located in one half of the building now occupied by Rudy's Lounge. The
other half of the building was Mr. Stauffer's Barber Shop (Jesse Hott's father). Charlotte
was the editor and reporter and Fay was the publisher and advertising manager. It
wasn't easy to keep a newspaper alive during the 30's. Many subscriptions were paid in
produce rather than with cash. One man paid his with strawberries for years.

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Faye died in 1968. Since then Charlotte has spent quite a bit of time traveling. She has
been to Canada twice to visit relatives and, also, on a bus tour of Mexico. No one is
surprised that Charlotte can't quit writing. She has written a number of short stories andis currently working on a history of the Presbyterian Church in this area. Every month
Mrs. Jones voluntarily supplies most of the news for this newsletter. A healthy interest in
life is rewardin~ and invigorating. Charlotte certainly has this.
"When I first came to Ignacio, I thought it was a fascinating place with it's variety of
cultures and traditions and its beautiful surroundings. I still do."
July, 1975 -- Shelby Smith

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