1 10 25 https://voicesofignacio.cvlcollections.org/files/original/21e0206ab32b31f42dc260ff991d8666.pdf 7ed3a8e6a3563be07e6e570767e84a23 PDF Text Text Voices of Ignacio Oral History Project Interview with Harold (Bud) Schaaf Part One – Date Unknown Conducted by Judy Bundy Transcript by Daniel Frauenhoff – 2025 �Preface: ​ The following interview was conducted by Judy Bundy with Mr. Harold (Bud) Schaaf at an unknown location on an unknown date. Mr. Schaaf discusses his time spent working on the Denver and Rio Grande Western Railroad, first on the narrow-gauge lines between Alamosa, Chama, Durango, Silverton, and Farmington, and later on the mainline out of Grand Junction. The transcript is compiled from two separate clips, which have been edited together, and are presumed to have been recorded around the same time. Both audio files start and end abruptly without any sort of introductory or concluding statements. Contents: [0:00] – Introduction [1:00] – Common Types of Railroad Cargo [1:42] – Loading Sheep at Chama [2:46] – Hauling Coal from Monero [3:29] – Stolen Journal Box Packing [5:00] – Fighting the Weeds and Running Out of Sand [6:02] – A Hotbox at Arboles [7:06] – Myron Henry and the Bondad Derailment [9:31] – A Switching Incident at Farmington [10:53] – Mel Schaaf’s Farmington Story [12:15] – Oddities at Navajo and the Peach Orchard Boar [13:10] – The Navajo Canyon Boulder [14:06] – First Time Firing with Bill Holt [16:24] – Training Firemen in the Bradshaw Years [17:00] – Durango’s Diesel Switcher [17:45] – Working the Mainline out of Grand Junction and A Bad Wreck [21:22] – The Grandview Wreck [22:40] – More Mainline Horror Stories [25:20] – Hobo Killed for a Bottle of Wine [25:47] – Throwing the Kids Candy at La Boca [26:35] – Working on the Set of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid [27:20] – Frank Green and the German Brown [30:49] – End of Recording �[0:00] – Introduction Bundy: Okay, why don’t we start again with you telling me your name. Schaaf: My name is Harold Schaaf, or Bud, whatever they want to call me depending on ‘em. Bundy: Okay, we were talking about you working on the railroad. Schaaf: Yes, ma’am. Bundy: And you worked on the railroad from ‘63 to roughly ‘90 or ‘92, or something? Schaaf: Yea, I got out of the service in ‘59 and so, well, these dates are fictitious cause I’m not really sure what they were. [laughter] Bundy: Okay, that’s fine. Do you remember – if you started in ’63 – when they were shipping things like turkeys from Allison? Schaaf: No, that was long before my time. [1:00] – Common Types of Railroad Cargo Bundy: What kind of stuff did you carry? Schaaf: Once in a while we’d get a carload of lumber from Weidman Sawmill, but that was very [rare]. We didn’t get anything out of Durango, it was primarily all empties that came out of Farmington – oil field stuff. We’d pick up and bring the empties out of Farmington and take ‘em to Chama. Then the Alamosa crew would take our empties over the mountain and we’d bring more loads back. It was pipe, drilling mud, and basically oil field stuff. [1:42] – Loading sheep at Chama Bundy: So you didn’t carry agricultural stuff? Schaaf: No, [but] I do remember one time many years ago. We had stock cars, double-deckers, [and] we’d put sheep in ‘em mostly. I do remember watching or helping when we were loading some sheep. But that’s been so long ago I don’t know whether they were sheep or dogs. [laughter] Bundy: That was here, or that was in Ignacio? �Schaaf: Yea, it was on this line. I think it was over in Chama when they were doing it. We didn’t pick up anything along here [line between Durango and Chama]. Our [consist] was basically what we had when we left. [2:46] – Hauling Coal from Monero Schaaf: Well, now [that] I say we didn’t, we would get them [cars at] Monero. I don’t know if you know where Monero is at? Monero is over on the other side of Lumberton – [the track] goes up a pretty steep grade [there] – and before you go up to Willow Creek. We’d pick up coal for Chama, you know, the coal mine is there and something to load the coal. [So we’d add] a car or two and take it into Chama so they could have it for the crews going back over to Alamosa. That’s primarily what we picked up. [3:29] – Stolen Journal Box Packing Schaaf: Now, when you had a bunch of empties – ballast cars is what they were, they’d open in the middle and drop rocks in on the tracks, ballast is what they called it. One time, they sent us over – and we were going over to Chama anyway – [but] there was about eight or ten cars. I think it was in Lumberton. We stopped to get ‘em and I had a look. The bearings on those cars – I think they were babbitt bearings – had packing [is what] they called it. It wasn’t cotton, it was like strings all wadded together. You poked that down into where the bearing was and pour oil in it and that’s what they [the cars] run on. I looked down and the packing was gone on one car, and I looked at ‘em [again], every bit of packing [was gone] so we couldn’t move ‘em at all. The Indians had pulled it out and [since it was] oil soaked [they] used it to start fires. So we left them [cars] there. And I don’t know who got out next, but they had to come back out and repack them to even move them. That’s all ancient stuff, you know. [5:00] – Fighting the Weeds and Running Out of Sand Schaaf: It was a hard job going from Durango to Chama, especially in the latter years, which I got into a lot. Our biggest problem was weeds. Bundy: Really? Schaaf: Yes. The weeds [would] get tall, they didn’t spray ‘em or nothing. When the wind [was] blowing it would blow ‘em over the tracks and it was just like grease on the tracks. [So] we would continually – we had a sand dome on the engine of course – but we’d run out of sand after �awhile. [I’d] have to hike [to] find a farmhouse that had a phone and call to have ‘em bring you out some more sand. Because we were helpless without sand. And that happened all the time in those latter days because they knew they were gonna abandon [so] they let the weeds go. The worst part was coming right out of Durango up Bocea Hill, where the track comes upgrade. [We were] slipping [and] trying to get traction all the way up there. Run out of sand. [6:02] – A Hotbox at Arboles Schaaf: Probably the last trip [unclear] we went over to Chama. We didn’t have any loads I think it was all empties. We get to what’s now Navajo Lake, but the lake might’ve been in then too, I’m not sure. I happened to look up on the engine and I see smoke. Well, that’s the bearings on them engines. We didn’t have any walkie-talkies or anything, [it was] all hand signals. But I did have a valve in the caboose so I could stop it. So I stopped the train and went up there and there was a hot box on the engine. We couldn’t do a thing about it, we had to have help. So I hiked up to find a telephone. *Recording cuts out and returns abruptly at a different section* [7:06] – Myron Henry and the Bondad Derailment Schaaf: I don’t know if you know what a doghouse is? On the back of those engines, right where they put the water in, they had what we called a doghouse. The head brakeman rode in that doghouse and the conductor and rear brakeman rode on the caboose. I was in the doghouse [and we were] right down there where the railroad crossed the highway [550] below Bondad Hill. Why, an axle broke under the tender [and] down it went tearing [up] ties and [everything else]. Scared me to death. Anyway, we had a guy working up in the roundhouse and Leonard Winkle was his name. He was a good hand. He got another axle [that] they had in the roundhouse and come out and jacked that damn train up and put a new axle in it. And away we went to Farmington. Well, in them days, while we were sitting in the caboose waiting to have the axel put in, that was considered our rest time. They don’t let ‘em do that no more. So we rested there and then we went to Farmington. [The] conductor was Myron Henry was his name. He’s gone now. He was just too one-hundred percent, just [unclear]. When this happened, I hiked over to Bondad – I think it was [Bonds?] Ranch over there – and they let me use the phone. I told them what we had done and they said, “If you guys can get that done go to Farmington, get what you can get quick and come back.” Well, we went to Farmington [and] by then it was getting dark. Myron Henry was the conductor and I told him �what they told me, said, “You just get whatever you can get and gone.” Well, he had to get every one of ‘em you know. [9:31] – A Switching Incident at Farmington Schaaf: I don’t suppose you know what a wye is, but it’s where you turn the train. The tail of the wye in Farmington was right where the hospital is now. [Big bank?] went out and you’d shove your train up on it, throw a switch, and go down the other way, throw [another] switch, and you’d turn ya around. Well, we had cars stacked in there too. [It was] dark and [to operate the] couplings on those engines you’d pull a handle, and you had to make sure that that pin dropped. Well, Dennis Cummins was on top of the cars and I pulled the pin on him. I heard the engineer give me a little toot and a look [unclear] and there go the cars. Well, we got ‘em stopped but we had one on the ground, clear out off the end of the wye settin’ right straight in the mud. So we cut away from that and then got that done. They came down and brought another [unclear] to pull that thing back on is what they did. But it was always a nightmare like that. [10:53] – Mel Schaaf’s Farmington Story Schaaf: My uncle [Mel Schaaf] worked down there one time and the wye – on the tail of the wye – down there would hold twelve cars. Then – that dang thing – the end of the rail dropped right into the street. [So] my uncle was the conductor and he had a brakeman right there with him and they had a hold of fourteen cars. The brakeman told Mel, he said, “Mel, that’ll only hold twelve cars.” He [Mel] said “I know what I’m doing, it’ll hold fourteen.” Well, he shoved fourteen out and brought twelve back cause two of ‘em fell out in the middle of the road. And the patrolman [came over and] said, “Hey, what are you gonna do with them cars in the middle of the road?” [laughter] Farmington was always an adventure, all the time. Bundy: Do you remember when they quit running the train altogether around here? Schaaf: No, I don’t remember what the dates were or anything. When you left Durango you had no radio communication. It was all work in the dark, find a way to get something done. [12:15] – Oddities at Navajo and the Peach Orchard Boar Schaaf: One time they – do you know where Gato is, Cat Creek? Well, there was a store there that Felix Lucero owned. Five, six miles away was a little place called Navajo – it’s probably not there anymore – but it was up on a little bank there and there was four or five houses. It looked like you was kind of going through a ditch when you [trails off]. There was a guy who’d been �shell shocked, or something, in the First World War. He’d mix dung in a can and throw it on the train when we went by. [laughter] He was nuttier than a peach orchard boar. [13:10] – The Navajo Canyon Boulder Schaaf: I wasn’t on this train, but [there] was a curve right there [near Navajo]. [The train] come around that curve and there was a rock as big as the engine fallen right in the middle of the tracks. They run that engine right up under it [unclear]. It didn’t kill anybody, nobody got hurt, but it was an awful mess. I went out on the work train to help clean it up [and] try to get that engine back [off?] the ground. They build the track around that rock rather than try to blow it up. But there was always, always something. We’d have an adventure somewhere or you’d go on the ground, which is derailed. [14:06] – First Time Firing with Bill Holt Schaaf: Coming down through here [near Ignacio] – now this is a horror story kinda. My uncle, being an engine watchman, was in the [Durango] roundhouse. They were talking and said they needed a fireman really bad to go to Chama. I’d never fired an engine in my life. So they said, “Well, why don’t you go up and get Bud, he’s up there in that trailer, let him go.” I had no experience, I didn’t know nothing. So they come and ask me, “Would you fire that train to Chama?” I said “I don’t know a thing about it.” But they said, “At least you can shovel coal.” So, I said “I’ll go.” I was with a guy named Bill Holt and Bill was the engineer. All I could do was shovel coal and it takes a lot to shovel coal, you need it and you don’t, cause I had no idea what I was doing. We got right here, in the middle of Ignacio or a little bit east, [and] he stopped the train. I said, “What are you doing?” He said, “You don’t know a damn thing about being a fireman.” I said, “I told you that.” “Well,” he says, “I’m not gonna go. I’m gonna set here.” I said, “You just go ahead and set here, I don’t care cause I never [unintelligible].” So we set there about ten minutes [until], “Ah, hell,” he said, “I’ll try to teach ya something.” So we left and by the time we got to Chama he’d told me what to do and tried to teach me something. Then I was able to go to Chama and fire back. There’s more to being a fireman than shoveling coal, you got to keep water in the boiler and all kinds of things. I didn’t know anything, that’s what I told him. I said, “Bill I don’t know nothin, I’ve never fired an engine in my life.” But then it got to where I could fire ‘em. Its just an art, you have to learn some of that stuff. [16:24] – Training Firemen in the Bradshaw Years �Schaaf: In fact, the last year [before] I retired they asked me if I’d go to Durango – I’d moved to Cortez – and teach them young guys how to fire those engines, you know, just instruct ‘em on how to fire those engines up to Silverton. So I worked and Bradshaw owned it then and I showed ‘em everything that I knew. Did that and then no more, I was done. [17:00] – Durango’s Diesel Switcher Bundy: When did they switch to diesel? Schaaf: They never switched to diesel. They did have a diesel switcher in the yard that come from Alaska, I think. But it was just for switching cars in the yard. Sometimes Bradshaw and them used it up in Silverton once or twice, but I was never involved in that one. I just happened to be in the right place – or the wrong place – at the right time to be able to get into all this [cause] its all gone [now]. I [faded?] out about the time they did. [17:45] – Working the Mainline out of Grand Junction and A Bad Wreck Schaaf: Then I went over to the mainline in Grand Junction and spent thirty years over there on the railroad. I’ve had some really bad experiences. The company had decided to do away with the caboose and then they were gonna get rid of the brakeman. So they offered us a buyout. Well, I put it there on the counter at the house, [but] I couldn’t bring myself to take that buyout. So they sent me as a brakeman up to Minturn. [I was] asleep in the [B&B?] over there, it was a hotel. A guy came in and said, “Bud wake up, they just had a big wreck over on the Denver side.” See one side went to Pueblo and the other to Denver. He said that [Ed West?], [it] killed him and [Slatts? Bid?] both. They come in on – you’re probably not familiar with block signals. Well, [they were] controlled just like you would a streetlight. Anyway, it was called a block and could be five miles long or something. Down in that country – off that mountain there – it was raining like a son-of-a-gun. They got a green block, which said that the track was clear ahead of ‘em. They went in there and after they got into that block a huge boulder rolled right onto the top of them tracks. They come around and they hit that boulder. They had about three units, and Slats was on the back unit, [since] we didn’t have cabooses then. He got cold and he went up in the second unit, but he didn’t have a radio. So he went up to get Ed West and said, “Let me have your walkie talkie. I got cold.” We’d have to have some measure of communication. When they come around and hit that [rock] the second unit [went] straight off into the river a quarter of a mile. The first one went off and the second engine [went] clear over the top of the first one – they had about 10,000 tons behind ‘em, you know – and it rolled. The lead engine had the fireman, the engineer, and the conductor. [In] the first roll, a tie killed Ed West. They rolled down and hung up on the ledge and it was dark and everything was confusing. �[Slats?], his engine rolled all the way to the bottom and they had to cut him out of the wreck. But they told me all that and I went home and signed the papers. It was dangerous up there on that mountain like that. [21:22] – The Grandview Wreck Schaaf: My cousin was married to Paul Mayer. My uncle [Mel] – his [Paul’s] father in law – worked on the railroad there too. They were coming down Bocea Hill. After you leave up there [by] Elmore’s store it was steep down to the bottom where they had hospital [rooms?] Raymond [Murray?] was the conductor and my uncle was the brakeman. They went into emergency – anytime you’d break an air hose or something it’d automatically stop the train – and they sat there for thirty minutes [until] my uncle said, “There’s something wrong up there, I’m gonna hike up there and see what’s wrong.” He got up there [and] the lead engine was right down in the gully and the second was pulled in two. But the lead engine was turned over. He said, “Where’s Paul?” [He was] under the wreckage. It took four hours for that coroner to get out and pronounce him dead. So there [were] a lot of things [that] happened and I’ve been into many of ‘em. [22:40] – More Mainline Horror Stories Schaaf: [This is] one of the worst ones I was in. I’d marked off on vacation – we got thirty day’s vacation – and we were packing to go to Alaska. The phone rang, it was the dispatcher in Denver. He said, “Bud, I’m desperate. I need a conductor.” “Well,” I said, “I’m marked off on vacation.” He said, “If you’ll [just] take that train to Denver, we’ll dead head you home and extend your vacation.” So I can do that, because that paid about $500 just to go over there. We didn’t have a caboose then. There was Johnny [McKelly?] and me, and a fireman, and there was four of us. We come up on the slow track, [it was] about twenty miles an hour on the fifty mile an hour track. You had to pick up and then shut down. It was level ground up there and there was a ranch there, this train track cut this ranch in two. Section house was over on one side and the section men lived in it, but I don’t think they were there then. As we [came] up there I was just talking to one of my brakeman and the engineer said, “Bud that looked like a kid in the tracks.” And all I could think of was a kid coming out of one of them section houses. I said, “Are you sure?” “Well,” he said, “I think I’m sure, what do you want me to do?” I said, “Stop the train right now.” So he stopped the train and I walked up one side of the train [while] my brakeman walked up the other side. We got close to the rear end of the train and I saw a shirt there. I said, “Oh, then that’s what he seen.” And I started to turn around and I seen a head. [gasps] This was a young guy had been riding on top of one of them great, big, high �autoracks and the overhead wires knocked him off and he went right down in the tracks. He was just cut into pieces. I just sat down and cried, I tell ya. That was the worst thing I ever witnessed. I had to call the coroner and wait for the coroner to come and they determined that he was just riding [on top] and he fell down in between the [rails]. Looked like he was about sixteen years old. [25:20] – Hobo Killed for a Bottle of Wine Schaaf: On the mainline I’ve seen them [hobos] get to fighting over a bottle of wine on them cars they’re riding. One throwed the other off up at Rifle [and] broke his neck. There was just all kinds of [stuff going on?]. But this here was a different challenge down here [referring to Durango to Chama line]. At the very least you had a radio [on the mainline]. You didn’t have nothing here. [25:47] – Throwing the Kids Candy at La Boca Schaaf: But I remember – after all these years you kinda forget some things – but I do remember La Boca. You know where La Boca is down there? Well, the track went through there and climbed back up on that mesa. We’d go through and it was split and there was houses on both sides of the tracks. There were little kids out there that would put pennies on the tracks. Bundy: I used to do that. Schaaf: Yea, and we always had candy on the caboose, throw the kids candy. But it was an adventure. An adventure that a lot of people don’t get, you know. I was in about all of those things. [26:35] – Working on the Set of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid Schaaf: I worked on Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid over here, you know where that was filmed? Right over the hill from Oxford. I seen ‘em blow up the car both times, first time was up at Needleton, going to Silverton, and the second time was out here at Oxford. Everyday at noon they’d bring big catering trucks out there – steak, anything you wanted to eat. And it was fun. When you watch ‘em, they do it over and over again [and] you think, “This [movie] ain’t gonna be worth a damn.” But when they put it together it was, that was one of the best movies. [27:20] – Frank Green and the German Brown �Schaaf: There was a little incident there that happened too, and I love this. Our boss, [the] big boss out of Grand Junction, come over when they were making this movie. He was Frank Green and Frank loved to fish. We crossed the Florida there and started up that small hill where they filmed [over] that way. It had some water in the Florida, but not very much. Frank said, “Bud, I seen some fish down in there.” I said, “There might be a few mud-suckers down there.” “No, no!” he said, “they weren’t, bring your fishing pole tomorrow.” “Oh, okay,” [I said]. [So] I came in the next day with a can of worms and my fishing pole. And my uncle said, “Bud you’re not gonna leave this train.” But they weren’t moving it or nothing and Frank Green – he was boss – said, “Yea, we’re gonna leave, just around the corner, we’re gonna go fishing for a little bit.” Well, we went down there and I tried this for him and everything. There [was] just a little [water?], like there is now, nothing. [But] pretty quick I looked under the bank and there was a German Brown about sixteen inches long. I [just] reached in and got him and throwed him out on the bank. But Frank Green, I’m telling you. I caught one on the line and they were all nice fish, you know. I didn’t think that little ‘crick [had] them. But pretty quick I could hear Frank Green down there screaming, “Bud, come down here, come down here quick!” So I went down to where he was at and there was a big ole’ cottonwood growing right on the banks of the Florida. The water had washed out under the roots and it was just about [ready] to fall over. Down in them roots was a twenty-four inch German Brown. Well, I put that dern worm right on his head and he wouldn’t take it. So Frank said, “I know what I’m gonna do.” They’d just rode that car up and they had some dynamite wire up there, a little thin [wire]. He said, “Run up and get some of that dynamite wire.” So I got the dynamite wire – it was just a quarter mile up there – come down, and we took my pole and tied one end of that wire to the [unclear] and fed it through the other end and made a loop. “Now,” he said, “catch that fish.” Well, I was sittin on a root there and I fed the fishing pole down there and slipped that noose over that fish and chocked it up – I had him. I pulled him up and then he fell out in my lap. Then Frank Green jumped in my lap. “Well,” I thought, “he’s gonna drown me.” We gave [the fish] to Paul Newman and Robert Redford for their dinner. We had a lot of good adventures, but this railroad here was hard work. That’s just all it was, was a lot of hard work, especially on the end of everything. After sixty years you forget so many dates, everything, you know. [30:49] – End of Recording � https://voicesofignacio.cvlcollections.org/files/original/7f97c14b2a0e07dfa1d54c3e5dbb0ef7.mp3 6115fd73c4c45441a8e8598de7d91bc4 Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Voices of Ignacio Oral History A resource containing historical information obtained in interviews with persons having firsthand knowledge. Duration Length of time involved (seconds, minutes, hours, days, class periods, etc.) Part 1: 30 minutes and 49 seconds Part 2: 2 hours, 22 minutes, and 51 seconds Interviewer The person(s) performing the interview Bundy, Judy; Frauenhoff, Daniel; Wheeler, Travis Interviewee The person(s) being interviewed Schaaf, Harold (Bud) Location The location of the interview Ignacio, Colorado Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Interviews with Harold (Bud) Schaaf Description An account of the resource Two installments of interviews with Mr. Harold (Bud) Schaaf primarily regarding his time working on the D&RGW railroad. 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It details a conversation between Ignacio resident Glen Walker and ICL staff members Daniel Frauenhoff and Cheyenne Munns. Mr. Walker discusses his efforts to establish Ignacio’s first library, career as the owner/operator of the hardware store, and other local history topics. It has been produced as part of the Voices of Ignacio Project, administered by the ICL, which aims to assemble and curate a collection of oral histories from residents of Ignacio and the surrounding area to preserve for community members, researchers, and future generations. Timestamps are based on the original recording, which is to be cataloged on the Voices of Ignacio Digital Collection website. Contents [0:00] - Introduction/The Walkers Come to Ignacio [1:48] - The Origins of Ignacio’s First Library [3:40] - Arranging Funding for the First Library [4:40] - The First Board of Directors [5:40] - Additional Funding for the First Library [6:10] - History of the Original Library Building [7:05] - Passing the First Mill Levy and Establishing the Library District [8:30] - Background of the New Library Building [8:50] - Financing the New Library Building [10:09] - Acquiring Land for the New Library Building [12:30] - Past Library Employees/Directors [15:58] - The McClanahan Connection [17:00] - Changes to the Library Over Time [19:15] - Other Community Members to Speak To [21:00] - Changes to Ignacio Over the Years and the Southern Ute Tribe [23:00] - History of the Ignacio Hardware Store [25:40] - Lawrence Wiseman [27:39] - Final Thoughts ​ �2 [0:00] - Introduction/The Walkers Come to Ignacio Frauenhoff: ​ It is Wednesday, April 2nd, 2025. This is Daniel Frauenhoff speaking and I am joined by [gestures to the right]. Munns: ​ Cheyenne Munns Frauenhoff:​ We are here on behalf of the Voices of Ignacio project, administered by the Ignacio Community Library, and to that effect our guest of honor today is Mr. Glen Walker. Mr. Walker, if you would briefly introduce yourself, where and when you were born? Walker: ​ My name is Glen Walker. I was born in Louisiana on June 25, 1942. My wife and I moved to Ignacio in 1974 and I still live here. Frauenhoff: ​ What was it that brought you out here? Walker: ​ We didn’t want to live in Denver anymore. We were both from small towns and it was sort of accidental that we ended up here. I had a longtime friend that moved to Durango to teach at Fort Lewis and he said ‘well why don’t you move over there,’ [Ignacio] so we did. It turned out to be a good choice for us. Frauenhoff: ​ So you’ve lived here ever since? Walker: ​ Yes, well, we lived briefly in Costa Rica for a couple of years. [1:48] - The Origins of Ignacio’s First Library Frauenhoff: ​ Was there any library in Ignacio when you first came here? Walker: ​ Nope, nothing. Frauenhoff: ​ And, as I understand, you were pretty closely involved with getting the first library up off the ground? Walker: ​ Yeah. I worked for the town of Ignacio, back years ago. I had a couple of jobs, I was the Assistant Town Manager and Recreation Director. The town had a business incubator over where the Southern Ute Adult Education [Center] is now. And I got sort of saddled with that after a while. We were trying to attract businesses to town and didn’t have much luck at it. But one day, where the deli is �3 at the grocery store now, there was a small cafe called Jerry’s Cafe. [To Munns]: Do you remember that? Munns:​ Yea. Walker:​ So one day I went over there for a coffee break, and there was only one other person in there, a gentleman by the name of Wayne Whiteman, who had just retired from being president of the Bank of Ignacio. So Wayne and I were talking and I asked him what did he think would help Ignacio grow, be a better place? And he said ‘what we really need is a library.’ [3:40] - Arranging Funding for the First Library Walker:​ Some years prior, he [Whiteman] and a few other people had raised some money to start a library, but they just couldn’t do it. And they still had $2500 in the bank. He said ‘probably the only entity that could do this would be the town, and we’d be willing to give them that $2500 to kickstart things.’ So when I went back to town hall I asked the town manager what he thought about that and he said ‘write up a proposal and we’ll take it to the town board.’ So I did, and did some checking on other funds, took it to the town board, and they all were in favor of it. [4:40] - The First Board of Directors Walker:​ So, [I] recruited some board members that the town appointed. They were: a gentleman named Larry Corbin, a lady that was on the town board, Elizabeth (Cindy) Gallegos, Donna Young, who at the time was the director of the Southern Ute Community Action Program, Dorthy Zahrt, who was actually finishing up a degree in education at Fort Lewis, her husband had been principal at the junior high here, and myself. [5:40] - Additional Funding for the First Library Frauenhoff: ​ And I guess you’d call that the first Friends of the Library or? Walker: ​ Well, no, we were the board, Board of Directors, or whatever they called us. I got a $5000 grant from the State Library Board and we started doing fundraisers. We had raffles, bake sales, cause we had no tax base. The town was supportive of it, but they weren’t gonna fund us very much, even though they bought the first building that was here. �4 [6:10] - History of the Original Library Building Walker:​ It was an old building that was, I think built in 1908 if I remember right, and it had been several things over the years, a furniture store, I don’t know what else. But at that time it was a woodshop, and the gentleman, unfortunately, was not able to make it here and the bank took the building back and they sold it to the town for a very, very good price. We started remodeling that building and we had lots of donations of materials, free labor, a few community service people [laughs], and we built the library basically from scratch. [7:05] - Passing the First Mill Levy and Establishing the Library District Walker: ​ ‘91 is when we became an official district, and I think that spring, the spring of ‘91, we had an election [that] established a very small Mill Levy and defined the Library District as being the School District boundaries. We opened with mostly donated books, of which the majority were Reader’s Digest condensed books [laughter], everybody in Ignacio and the surrounding area had a set of those and they brought ‘em, and, of course, we had to haul them to the dump. But that’s how we got started. I don’t know what else you’d want to know. Frauenhoff: ​ So you said that all happened around ‘91, give or take? Walker: ​ We started working on it late ‘87 or early ‘88 and we opened the library in ‘91. [8:30] - Background of the New Library Building Frauenhoff: ​ Now, as far as the building we’re sitting in today [present library], it was constructed in 2007, is that correct? Walker: ​ That’s correct. Frauenhoff: ​ So its on, or at least the court yard is on, the site of the old library. Were you closely involved with getting the funding together for this building we’re in? [8:50] - Financing the New Library Building Walker: ​ Yea, I was still Chairman of the Board at that time. We had two questions on the ballot. One was to increase the Mill Levy to, I think it was five mills, and I’m probably wrong on that, but it was a big increase over what we had. The other one was to approve the district issuing bonds to build the building. The bond issue �5 passed fairly comfortably, [but] the increase in the tax only passed by about five votes. I didn’t understand that because if we didn’t get an increase in the tax we couldn’t do the bonds, cause we couldn’t repay them. And this was all the easy part, way easier than getting this thing started originally, cause somebody else was doing all of the work. We hired an architect, and then, obviously, a contractor. [10:09] - Acquiring Land for the New Library Building Walker: ​ But there was still lots of stuff that had to be done, acquiring enough land was part of it. Where the parking lot is there were two small houses, real small. [To Munns]: Do you remember that? Munns:​ Yea, I remember. Walker:​ They became very expensive pieces of property [laughter] once the library wanted ‘em, but we bought those. We’d already purchased the [other] land, it was old, old apartments. They were built out of adobe and they were very small units from back in the ‘50s, I believe, when there was an oil boom here [and] somebody quickly put [them] up. And the town had purchased that. We applied for and got a sizable grant. I don’t remember how much it was, but one of the requirements was that we had to own the property. We had been leasing the property for a dollar a year from the town and they did the maintenance and provided insurance. Naomi Jones and myself went to the town board and pointed out how they’d save lots of money if they just gave it to us, wouldn’t have the liability, maintenance, etc. We weren’t gonna build this building if we didn’t own the property. So they deeded the property to the library and we got started on building.I left before the building got completed. My wife and I were spending as much time as we could in Costa Rica and when my term was up I did not feel that it was fair to be a part-time board member. So I left. [12:30] - Past Library Employees/Directors Frauenhoff: ​ Of course, Debbie Winlock, Dorthy William’s [present library employee] sister, was a director for a time in the old library? Walker: ​ Debbie started as a volunteer. We had a librarian, but we didn’t have a qualified librarian for what we could pay. To be honest the library just barely existed, but it was open and we had customers. When Debbie Winlock came along she had lots �6 of energy, she loved libraries, and I still believe she’s the reason we had to build this building. She just got more people to use the library. Frauenhoff: ​ And from conversations with Dixie [Cook] it sounds like there was an interesting director that succeeded Debbie, kind of a businessman type? Walker:​ It was after Debbie. The gentleman’s name is on the plaque where you come into the building. His first name was Jerry [Gracy], I don’t remember the last name. But, yea, I didn’t help hire him. He was not a librarian, he wanted to redo the Dewey Decimal system. They spend lots of time re… [trails off]. It doesn’t matter now you know. But, yea, he was a business person. ​ And after him they hired a librarian from Colorado Springs, but [she] wanted to move to Durango and unfortunately she didn’t work out either cause she didn’t want to be in Ignacio. ​ And then they hired a lady [correct name unclear] and she was very good for several years till she retired. I don’t remember if we had anybody between her and Marcia [Vining - present library director]. [To Munns]: Do you know? Munns:​ We had a few part-time ones, Mr. Meunier for a little bit, but I don’t know if they were ever officially director. Walker:​ Yea I don’t think so. Marcia has been here a long time and has done a lot of good. But Debbie was the first real librarian that we had. I don’t know what her degree was in but she started working on a master’s degree online in Library Science immediately. As a matter of fact probably before we hired her. [15:58] - The McClanahan Connection Frauenhoff:​ Now, the original library was named for Mr. Butch McClanahan, and how did that come to be? Walker:​ [Laughs] I probably shouldn’t say this, but there was a town board member who had worked for years for the McClanahans at the grocery store. And he was wanting to buy the store after Butch had passed away. Butch was a generous man, you know, did lots for the community. But he wasn’t involved in the library and neither were any of his family members. It was sort of a PR thing. When we built a new building the board thought it shouldn’t be named for any one person. So they named one of the rooms for Mr. McClanahan [instead]. �7 [17:00] - Changes to the Library Over Time Frauenhoff:​ [To Munns]: anything I missed that you can think of? Munns:​ [To Walker]: Since you’ve seen the building from the get-go, what have been one of your favorite changes or things that you think are important that have grown so much in here? I mean, I remember being little and my mom Dixie working here and we were still writing due dates on bills and had the fun stamps to put on the books. Now its all just online. Walker:​ Obviously the biggest thing is technology. I don’t think we had a computer when we started. But, like it or not, most people read books online. We will always need books, I hope. Improvements in technology opened it up for more kids, I think. Cause kids are, well, they’re technologically driven. If they don’t have a computer they don’t know what to do. [laughter] When we opened I think we had some computers that were open for the patrons to use, but there were only two or three of them as I recall. And now you guys got quite a few. The board at that time, I don’t think none of us was really computer literate like you guys are now. I could use a computer - sort of. [laughter] [19:15] - Other Community Members to Speak To Frauenhoff:​ Well, is there anything coming to mind right now that we didn’t cover or you think would be important for us to know? Walker:​ Uh, I don’t know. I would hope that the original board members could somehow be recorded or something. Frauenhoff:​ This is more future steps, but as we would like to interview more community members, and you’ve been in the community for so long, is anyone coming to mind that you think might be good for us to try and talk with next? Anyone who’s really got a good story we should hear? Walker:​ You know a person that has a lot of knowledge of the history of Ignacio is Laura Witt at the Style Shop. She would be a good person to talk to. There's not many of us left that have much knowledge of how Ignacio has grown, what little it's grown, and the change in the community. [Its] different than it was in the 70’s, the makeup of the people, the type of jobs, you know. �8 [21:00] - Changes to Ignacio Over the Years and the Southern Ute Tribe Frauenhoff:​ What’s the nature of the change, as you’ve seen it since ‘74? What was it like then compared to now? Walker:​ Well, there were very few good paying jobs in Ignacio at the time. Probably the best thing that has happened to Ignacio was the Southern Utes and their growth. As they built, they created lots of jobs. I'm not a casino person, but the casino [has] actually been good for the community as far as creating jobs. There's still not a lot of really good jobs in town, you know there’s the grocery store, but at least there are lots of jobs close by with the tribe. In my opinion the tribe never gets enough credit for what they have done for the community. Frauenhoff:​ Oh yea, certainly, the growth fund has been able to do some pretty impressive stuff. Walker:​ They have, they have. Frauenhoff:​ I mean, there was certainly oil and gas before the tribe, but it was generally on the decline? Walker:​ Yeah, it was. I don't know how much the tribe had to do with the boom in the gas industry here, but at least they managed it and you know created lots of local jobs with it. [23:00] - History of the Ignacio Hardware Store Walker:​ I don't know if Marcia or somebody asked me if I could do a brief history of the hardware industry here. I owned the hardware store for 31 years, after I left the town that’s what I did. And if you want to be bored by it, I would tell you what I know about the hardware store in Ignacio. In 1912 a gentleman by the name of H.C. Biggs from Pueblo opened a store here. He owned a hardware store and lumberyard in Pueblo and he opened one here. It was at 1776 Browning Avenue, 1,200 square foot store. In the 50’s, a gentleman by the name of Lawrence Wiseman, who was working for Mr. Biggs, bought the store. And he doubled the size of the store to 2,500 square feet. Then in 1970, his son Tom Wiseman bought the store from Lawrence and became affiliated with True Value. �9 In 1992, I bought the store from Tom Wiseman. That was about the time things were starting to happen with the tribe with the gas industry and lots of building. At least for a while the store was just too small for the demand. So we built a new store at 1,100 Goddard Avenue, the very south end of town in ‘99. I retired when I was 80 years old and we sold. The Lee family owns it now, it's a hardware store and irrigation supply company. That’s a brief history, the only history I know about Ignacio is what happened with the hardware store. [laughter] [25:45] - Lawrence Wiseman Frauenhoff:​ Well we appreciate you keeping it going for as long as you did. Now, do you remember much about Mr. Wiseman. Walker:​ Yea, I know some. Frauenhoff:​ If you could, tell us one story about him. Walker:​ Lawrence Wiseman, if I remember correctly, moved to Durango from South Carolina. Then he moved to Ignacio when he started working at the hardware store and Tom grew up here, grew up in the store. He really loved Ignacio, but he didn't want it to ever change, you know. When I bought the store they still used an old-fashioned cash register, wrote bills out on a receipt, and stuff. He told me, ‘I never would have computerized, but I'm glad you did, brought us into the modern era.’ He was a good business man I think, but a little stubborn and hard-headed. Frauenhoff:​ Set in his ways it sounds like. Walker:​ Yea, set in his ways. There's nothing wrong with that. Frauenhoff:​ [To Munns]: Well, unless you have anything Cheyenne? Munns:​ Nope. Frauenhoff:​ [To Walker]: We really appreciate you coming in and chatting with us. Glad you were able to clear some things up, at least with my understanding of the library. Thank you very much. [27:39] - Final Thoughts �10 Walker:​ Okay, thank you. I'm glad you let me talk because lots of people, even Marcia, didn't really know anything about how the library got started. It was actually sort of accidental, me running into Wayne Whiteman, and there was no one else to talk to, so sort of had to talk to him. [laughter] But basically from that was how the library came about. Lots of people think it started when this building was built, but it was way before then. It was a struggle, way bigger struggle than this, (referring to present library). The big increase in funding from the taxes and other things made it much easier to do. I mean, I know it's much more complicated to run. Frauenhoff:​ Just to get it going compared to the original? Walker:​ Yeah [28:52] - End of Recording � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. 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Holson's Bread asked Ben [page 2] [written at top of page] Duncan Ronaldo Leo Carrillo if they could sponsor him in the parades. He rode in Durango, Ignacio, and Pagosa. Uncle Marshal always had a horse for Ben to ride. The one horse Ben loved was "Blue Eyes" he looked exactly like Cisco Kid's horse Diablo. What my sister and I liked was going to the parades and rodeos. Always enjoyed watching Dad ride. He looked forward to summers and all his cousins the Herrera boys, but mostly his Uncle Marshal. Couple of summers James Romeo Dad's friend rode as Poncho, Cisco Kid's partner. [written in right margin] Loco Pane Horse When Ben started parades in Ignacio, all the Merchants here would donate money for Prizes. Also Ben started Christmas for kids, with bags of candy. As Ben got older he couldn't ride horses anymore. So he would ride in floats and give out candy. Before Ben passed away he asked us to dress hime up in his Cisco Kid outfit. 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Subject The topic of the resource Nossaman, Tandy; Hope Christian Academy; School; Ignacio; Colorado Type The nature or genre of the resource Sound https://voicesofignacio.cvlcollections.org/files/original/9e0b021bd60891d00a66c9a38fbeec00.png 4c487ee9815e7677de8f9a211a8532e1 https://voicesofignacio.cvlcollections.org/files/original/9d730d20148b483d2e9941c664a85074.mp3 862514e0ad6536ba7bcc8fbf3a3a7131 Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Voices of Ignacio Oral History A resource containing historical information obtained in interviews with persons having firsthand knowledge. Interviewer The person(s) performing the interview Andrew Hutchinson Interviewee The person(s) being interviewed Dixie Cook Location The location of the interview Ignacio Community Library Duration Length of time involved (seconds, minutes, hours, days, class periods, etc.) 25 minutes and 9 seconds Time Summary A summary of an interview given for different time stamps throughout the interview 3:19 - 4:56 discusses the Ignacio school system. 8:38 - 9:42 discusses the Ignacio Rodeo. 12:40 - 14:45 discusses the oil and gas industry in SW Colorado. 16:30 - 22:08 discusses the Ignacio Community Library and its history. Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Interview with Dixie Cook Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource http://rightsstatements.org/vocab/InC/1.0/ Date Created Date of creation of the resource. 2019-10-17 Type The nature or genre of the resource Sound Description An account of the resource An interview with Dixie Cook at the Ignacio Community Library on Thursday, October 17th, 2019. Subject The topic of the resource Cook, Dixie; Ignacio; Colorado